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it is all for you to see
if you'll climb inside of me
well i might put up an awful fight
when you frighten me
it is all for you to touch
if you're touched by love as such
your eyes offer me no lies
i will give you as much
but there's a witness to the dream
things are always as they seem
and something hides where we'll ride
the ocean's rocking
we are just to look again
we are just to understand
when i see, when i see
when i see you there
i will take you by the hand
and i'll hold your arm to stand
there's a fuss for each of us
a fear now in command
yes, there's a fear for each of us
and together we will rust
that's the score just like before
we return as we must
but there's a seeing to believe
honey, there's a loss to grieve
i love you, i'll carry you
with me when i leave
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ha, ha
check this out. I just found it on my friend's blog.
talk about exploring vaginas
James
could you link to a recording / video of this song?
Yes,James
I wish to hear you sing.
absolutely. thanks for the
absolutely. thanks for the call. i just recorded a video, and while i really felt out the tune and it felt so great to sing it -- the audio, as per usual with my bathroom recordings, is very low. i'm just gonna wait another day or two until i can manage an all-around good recording. (for anyone who knows it, the current version of the music/melody of this song is my adaptation of the iron & wine track 'passing afternoon.' my song sounds quite a bit different, but is actually quite similar. you'll see what i mean.)
Hey ezra
How are you doing?
Birthday card[s] for Sibylle
This first one literally jumped out of the pack:
Five of Water: Spilling
Painfully, you feel that relationships are transient and impermanent; do not rely so much on others for love; when it seems like the "cups" of your life have spilled--and all your love has emptied out--you will discover that you still have a major reservoir: your own source of internal love, do not forget that! Look inside yourself and you will se that of five cups, only three have spilled, two are still standing and spewing light everywhere!
And the second...
The Magus
Know, will, dare and keep silent; you possess and wield the tools of magical change; you are a visionary, but it is not necessary to express this to others; trust the lessons of your own experience and insight; you embody force and power--you hold ever key to create change, you have all the resources you need-- but only if you operate through focused action, the second mode of empowerment; be ready to create your world in the image of your choosing.
Enjoy!!
Ceili, thank you
for the birthday cards! I will sit with them and remember and try to keep my mouth shut for a change ;). Thank you all for your wonderful birthday wishes and songs. Can I spill some of the love I received today? Please, take some!
Sitting this morning
I didn’t want to sit. I have been overwhelmed by downpours of emotions, like the summer storms that constantly sweep through this city. It is just what it is; a part of me. To fight only makes the storms more powerful. But these feelings (and the thoughts that go with them) arrive again and again and again . I must work with them or else they lead me down to depression’s door. I took my cushion to the little balcony outside my bedroom. I placed it in front of potted flowers.. The great “eastern sun” was shining on the side of my face. My heart was full of sadness and fear, worrying about things that have not get happened. As a child, people used to refer to me – in not an endearing way – as a faucet of tears that constantly turned on and off, on and off. I am feeling this way now. I take a step, I smile. I take another step, I cry. It is always about the fear of change.
I couldn’t get comfortable. I kept crying. I settled for a moment. Then I was uncomfortable and had to wiggle about to position myself. Each time I settled, I cried. I focused on a marigold that was hanging over the edge of a large round pot. Its pedals are deep yellow, fringed by orange. Gradually I began to see this flower pedal by pedal. Then it became whole again; the colors blending into a magnificent sun. The space between me and the flower “dissolved.” We were together with no separation between us. The sounds of the birds filled my head. The mockingbirds, the sparrows, the cardinals and wrens were flying and singing. There were bird songs that I did not recognize. Behind me, in the house, Mr. Plumbean was chattering. The sounds encircled and embraced me.
When my sitting ended, I felt calmer. I had a break from myself to find myself. The churning inside me is still here; the tears are still resting on the edge of my consciousness. But so is hope. So is another smile. Another flower. Another bird song.
going to work
You know, as I was heading off to work this morning, I saw you sitting on that balcony, and I thought "Look how clear and collected she is."
Reading your report, you describe yourself as caught in a swirl of bumpy feelings, and I know that it is true. But, you are more than those feelings and I believe that I saw a broader picture of you sitting in that sunny space.
JAMES IS A LOVE SONG
And the truest and most sublime kind, the kind that seeks lovingkindness and depth, that longs for death of the troubled mind, that winds through the paths of doubts tangled up in luminosity, because it is not yet felt. “it is all for you to see/if you’ll climb inside of me.” Is this not the height of male desire, transcending the masculine through the transformation of the penis into the phallus into the lingam which, at its most erect, is an opening to receive? Yes, at the height of love, the penis is vagina-penis, the most intimate sacred spaces of tantra. “it is all for you to see” and for you all to see if you will climb inside the looking of my looking. But, James, always self-admittedly, is filled with terror, though he is not fully clear what that terror is. You know because he puts up an “awful fight” which, in truth, is really only awful to him. To me, it’s the most beautiful fight because it’s not a fight; it’s a struggle to be free from the strictures and deprivation of his youth.
it is all for you to touch
if you're touched by love as such
your eyes offer me no lies
i will give you as much
Are these not the most delicate and refined notes of authenticity and seeking? What makes James so authentic is his willingness to own his limitations, his innocence and vulnerability. He no longer needs to be right, he needs to be intimate, and his only fight is to make that intimacy crystallize as a vessel of blood, bones and lips for two lovers passaging.
“but there's a witness to the dream/things are always as they seem.” This slightly aporic contemplation is the dream itself playing out a philosophical truth. This is all dream, and the only aspect of consciousness that’s real or beyond the dream is the Witness who, through bearing witness, untangles the slings and arrows of conceptuality itself, upon which the veil of fear is lifted.
But, even the witness needs a mirror before the mirror itself ultimately dissolves. And so, we make love, we engage in the intimate so that we can break through body itself. Yes, we drown and die in each other’s bodies, and then come up for air, and look again, with and without words.
we are just to look again
we are just to understand
when i see, when i see
when i see you there
And we repeat this act, this rite of passage, over and over again, until love like a salty wave or tear, smoothes out the edges of fear. Though still “unrefind,” James knows, and knowing is his faith and stone to carry with him. He will see because he will grieve the losses he needs to grieve; and he will love and carry all of us with him, even when he leaves; especially when he leaves, because James is a love song.
breaking through the body the hard way ;)
Om, I love this post to James' song and your celebration of his struggle.
I most love this wisdom:
This so resonates with me, the need to break through the body, urgent in the body itself. In this merging, there must be at least an understanding of the need to transcend, if not transcendence itself. Otherwise, sex will feel like loss.
I guess this is why sex can be such a powerful vehicle for exploring and transcending loss / deepening intimacy. Without awareness, it can so easily degenerate into withdraw, distance, and pain, because the sensation of loss engendered in the breaking of that physical union, in the inability of the body to be more than what it is and the skin to free us, in the dying of the end--that sensation can make us feel all our loss living inside of us.
So though it is a conversation with the body, through the body, and in celebration of the body, when sex is made about the body we will always feel alone again.
I NOAH CONVERSATION ON CONVERSION
John Freccero, in his `Dante: The poetics of Conversion,’ says, “The process of the poem [`Divine Comedy’], which is to say the process of the pilgrim, is the transformation of the problematic and humanistic into the certain and transcendent, from novelistic involvement to epic detachment, from a synchronic [single point in time] view of the self in a dark wood to a diachronic [changing over time] total view of the entire world as if it were, to use Dante’s powerful image, a humble threshing floor upon which a providential history will one day separate the wheat from the chaff.” This is Noah’s “conversation with the body, through the body, and in celebration of the body” and “the need to break through the body, urgent in the body itself.” This is form itself (e.g., as poem, as body, as person) converting or transforming and transcending the confines of bodily love. This is James’ `Love Song.’ This is this community of discourse seeking light against darkness through the valleys of fear. If we do not seek, if we do not sit, if we do not write, “Otherwise, sex will feel like loss.” As you so wisely intimate, Noah, “this is why sex can be such a powerful vehicle for exploring and transcending loss / deepening intimacy. Without awareness, it can so easily degenerate into withdraw, distance, and pain, because the sensation of loss engendered in the breaking of that physical union, in the inability of the body to be more than what it is and the skin to free us, in the dying of the end--that sensation can make us feel all our loss living inside of us.”
What more can I say? Gorgeous. Thank you.
Congratulations Anya
Tonight, Anya received four outstanding acheivement awards at school. One was for outstanding senior thesis. Graduation tomorrow. I am one proud mother and friend. It has been a glorious ride with my dear one. I bow down to her life. Actually, I am already stooped over in celebration of Noah.
And for all of you here, I too, bow in gratitude for your friendship. You are all my flowering garden.
that's awesome Anya!
and congratulations! what were the achievement awards for? what was your senior thesis? enjoy tomorrow. what an exciting moment!
Awards + Thesis
I got awards for excelence in:
Calculous
English
Government
And Outstanding (best) Senior Thesis.
My Thesis was about genetically engineered crops. Moral. BAD. VERY BAD. AND EVIL.
Thanks for the thoughts. Cross your fingers. I have a feeling I am going to fall during my walk. (in front of 500 people)
anya
wow. what a cool thesis. and what a well-rounded student you are!
Don't worry about falling. Even if you do, worse things in the world have happened. And as one of my yoga teachers in his challenged English always says: don't worry, when we fell down we get up.
HEY ANYA, CONGRATULATIONS
Every ending is a new beginning, always and endlessly. And every beginning reflects what we had previously learned. So, soak it up and celebrate this very huge achievement. That is the most important, to own what you have created. And gratitude gratitude gratitude. Never forget to be grateful.
Congrats Anya!!
Anya, Great thesis topics there are so many people that don’t quiet understand the full ramifications of genetically modified crops. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the topic.
Congratulations on your awards and graduation. Enjoy every moment today, we’ll all be there with you.
Anya,
I am going to have a drink on you tonight!! You go, girl! Across that damn stage and far beyond! Celebrate!
Anya
i second Megan's interest and everyone's warm congratulations! on the graduation and the many honors you've received. beautiful!!
2008 Graduate!!!
I'm here! I'm done! I didn't fall! Thank you guys so much for thinking of me. I am honored.
My thesis was rocken! I loved the topic, my adviser, and my research. Anyone who wants to read it just give a shout (though warning, although well written it is long. 11 pages of text. so no need to commit yourselves to finishing, or even starting.) Anyway, as you can imagine I have so very strong thoughts on the issue and am always open to talking about it. DISCUSSIONS WELCOME!
Its all such a blur. I remember walking in and then it was over. just wow! what a rush. Many thanks... Lets talk cause I am free and ready to move, think, and be.
Congratulations, Anya. I
Congratulations, Anya. I knew you wouldn't fall.
I would definitely like to read your thesis, as this is a topic I have interest in and would like to learn more. So if you could post it as a PDF file, I would give it a read.
So what plans have you got for the summer now that you are free?
hi there Nico
Hiya Nico, Enjoy the instant summer today.
Hi Megan
It's instantly hot and humid, Megan. But it's new for the year so I like it for now. For me, it means long bike rides to Long Island, walking about the city, and picnics to Central Park with friends. All good.
These days I find myself really angry and confrontational with people, all types in all types situations, especially when I feel like they are trying to take advantage of me somehow. I just got into an argument with some bill collector just calling and asking if I was a certain person born in the 40s. I asked repeatedly what she want and why, but she won't say. Finally I said no and she hung up. Thinking on it, I am mad at myself because eventhough I gave her little info, I soft of answered her questions and she didn't even bother to answer mine. Grrrrrr! I feel I should have been harsher with her, but I know that's what she's supposed to do.
Or at work, I told a co-worker who made a mama joke, I told him, You're the most annoying bastard in the world - I really hope you get a stroke right now! And I meant it!
That will teach him to make mama jokes at me. Still, later I didn't feel too good with myself for losing my temper like that. I like myself a lot better when I call people out on the passive aggresiveness, especially this other guy at work who is always making subtle comments out of the blue when he is not part of the conversation. My work environment can be like high school at times.
Anyway, enough about me, how about you, Megan, you like the hot summer? What have you been feeling these days?
Missed you at the party!
Vinny
Hi. It's hot and humid here. A jungle. The water just drips from the trees. DC was built on a swamp and when the summer comes - oh man. We just slow down to a crawl. One of my neighbors got a blow up pool that she squeezed onto her tiny patio. I got in it today with all my clothes on and just laughed my head off. I felt like I was walking in this great urban jungle and suddenly came upon a clear, fresh water, lake. The pool is just big enough to get one of those blow up back rests with a place for a drink.in it so you can stretch out. I felt like I was on a tropical island.
You know, I keep seeing your face when we met in New York. I felt, although we didn't really speak, such a deep gentleness in you. It was very comforting in a way. So when you write about your anger at people - the blow ups you have - I try to reconcille that with this other Vinny that I saw. I guess my reaction is one of fear - of being the person on the other end; of having someone hit me with so much anger and not being sure why. In the past when someone gets angry with me like that it used to terrify me. Now, I deal with it much more calmly. Several years ago I was very lost driving at nght. The road was very very dark, few cars. I slowed down to try to read the streets signs and then turned, then turned around. Someone pulled up next to me and screamed, " are you an idiot?" I don't know what made me do it. But I pulled down my window and said, I might be. But I am really lost and can't figure out how to get home." The guy in the car asked me if I needed directions. We parted in understanding.
But it does give me a jolt. So give me a little warning if you are going to scream at me for something.
So, stay cool. I'm drinking smoothies everyday. I am still waiting for Om to tell me what to eat for lunch. I'd really like to know. It would make my day easier. Like, you know, wearing the same couple of t-shirts day after day.
What do you eat for lunch everyday?
emily I'm angry
it's sweltering and humid in new york. I just spent a day schlepping around Manhattan with subways packed filled with agitated and inconsiderate people. what have we come to when only one person on a whole train full of people offers their seat to a blind man?
I met up with my dad today downtown. It was nice to see him, since it had been a while. He doesn't do well in the heat, so he was a little cranky, but he tried to put up a good front. I wish I could tell him that he needs to take better care of himself. I mean, I do, but it doesn't matter. He was in good spirits other than the heat though, since he might be getting a job offer in the next couple of days. Keep your fingers crossed! toes too! It's been awhile and he needs this. We went to the Strand Bookstore, where neither of could afford all the goodies displayed like a delicious banquet before our hungry eyes. I ran into my boss and his wife and kid (who is also graduating H.S. this year). It was super awkward, since they are super awkward people, but I was glad my dad got to meet my boss, since they remind me of each other. They are both angry detached intellectuals, but my boss is more of a misanthrope. My dad seems to actually enjoy people, whereas my boss seems to enjoy throwing barbs at them. My dad told a great story about Garrison Keilor, who gave a commencement address at the school he was the headmaster of in St. Paul some years back. He didn't just name drop, they asked him a specific question about him. He showed off his wit, sarcasm and intellect all at once. Go Dad. My boss barely spoke, but I could tell he was impressed. I felt proud of papa, despite all of his weakness and problems. When we were walking out of the store, he paged through a famous poetry book (I can't remember the title right now) and in his gravelly voice read out loud a couple of lines. I told him that he should forget education and go into radio. I could just hear him doing a literary talk show, reading bits and pieces of his favorites to a rapt audience. Dad and I parted ways at Union Square (he had had enough) with promises of doing this more often (we hadn't seen each other in months). we'll see.
After stopping at the waxing salon to have the monthly torture session, for which i pay my good hard earned money, I headed back uptown, went grocery shopping in preparation for the bookclub meeting I'm hosting tomorrow (it's going to be a picnic in the park) and taxied back to my place, schlepping 4 super heavy bags of melons and such. Then I see the sign on the front door (always a bad omen) NO WATER, Call 311.
All I wanted was a shower to wash off all the grime, sweat and sticky wax of the day! but no. someone called the City because there's been a huge ongoing leak in the lobby for days and the fire department came and shut the water off to all 55 apartments in the building when it's over 90 degrees out. what??
I'm angry!
but I also gotta say, swaha. whatever. I can always go to a friends house. I've got options. at least I have some watermelon to quench my thirst.
and Em, I am also terrified of other people's anger, but my reaction to my fear of their anger is always to be angry back. This is what Om calls my edginess. My claws come out and I bite back. Vinny knows what I mean. He usually retreats though, which scares me more, because in the end that's what I'm really afraid of, and then I fight even harder. It's a never winning battle. But you're right, he is a gentle soul (except for when that anger is brewing under that serene exterior).
Cam, you can come shower at
Cam, you can come shower at my place. I don't have AC, I try to do without them, but I have plenty of fans, and I am trying to install a ceiling fan in my bedroom, which should make the air circulate the apartment much better.
thanks Nic
but the water is back on! thank god!
weren't you going to help me install ceiling fans in my place too?
I have A/C in the bedroom, but I"m trying to hold out.
Em, lately I have been
Em, lately I have been making myself what I call Veggie Bomb Sandwiches! My own creation, I open up a baguette from the french bakery, smear avocado with olive oil on one side (moosh it with the fork), and then I stuff it with lots of fresh cilantro, thin slices of vidalia onions (my favorite now), slices of tomato, and thin slices of fresh jalapeno peppers! I then pour more olive oil, valsamic vinager and tabasco sauce. Sometimes I put ketchup on it. Then, when I eat it, the mess only adds to the joy of it.
So good.
As for my anger, it is true that it is violent in its imagery but that is as far as it goes. And generally, I don't get that angry unless people are purposely trying to provoke me, at which point I aim to rattle and jolt with my angry words, both as an expression of my state of mind but also as an attempt to rattle the provoker. Why should I be the only one to get angry? If another person is going to intentionally going to try to upset me, then I am going to do my darnest to make then upset too. I know this is bad, but come on, we are adults in a work setting, are mama jokes really necessary?
Plus, I would never get that irrationally angry at you, Emily. You are so connected and your smiles so warm, it would be impossible.
Nico
Hi Nico, Maybe I’ll take back a little bit of my excitement about the heat; it is pretty humid, even for me. I usually like the humidity, feels like it wraps you like a warm cozy blanket but being in the city the heat and humidity is a whole different animal. I was mostly excited because for me it means heading to the beach; hanging out in Long Island with my nieces and nephews; bike riding; eating lot’s of great barbeque, salads, fruits and smoothies; and taking long walks after dinner. I always feel the most alive and healthy in the summer.
I understand getting angry with passive aggressive people at work. I have a boatload of them at my work as well. Unfortunately I can easily slip into being both passive aggressive and temperamental myself. The other day I actually told one particular co-worker, “It is too early for you, I can’t right now.” He usually is relentless and he looked at me and said okay and just turned around and went back to his office. I couldn’t believe it; he just stopped badgering me and went on his way very peacefully. I am hoping to get to a point that I can dismiss it all and not get aggravated by any of it. It seems everyone in my department is dealing with medical issues themselves, their children, spouse or parents. It is unbelievable how much external stress and anxiousness we are all caring to work with us. My eventual goal of course would be to always treat my co-workers without any aggression myself, but that is going to take a whole lot of practice. Emily, we need you follow you around work for a week and learn your compassionate ways. ;)
I’ve been in a weird place for the last few months. I was traveling so much for work, really hating my job and missing my husband and struggling with my health and exhaustion. It all came to a head about 3 weeks back. I experienced a loss that was pretty painful. It was all very difficult and draining. Every time I turned around there seemed to be another thing to deal with as well. My uncle passing away, my mom bursting a ligament in her knee, a fight with my youngest sister and then my brother, my boss ignoring my emails. I started to feel overwhelmed, I didn’t have the energy to handle all of them at the same time. Emotional overload, I had nothing left to give or feel. So uncharacteristic of me, I stepped back and only focused on me, dealt with my own loss and let everything else take backstage. I didn’t even go to my Uncle’s funeral, after two fully charged wakes with all these suspended feelings and unspoken stress I said to myself, I can’t do this right now and I came home and rested. I spent the last two weekends with my nieces and nephews, going to soccer games and gymnastic recitals, building sand castles on the beach, playing scrabble and reading bedtime stories. It was exactly what I needed. Their humor and witnessing the emergence of their own unique personalities was all very healing. I’ve made it through what I think will be the hardest part and although it won’t magically vanish, I have a whole new bag of tricks; I no longer have to struggle so much, I’ve got all these new tools to process and they are much better then the old ones cause the actually work.
Last week I finally was starting to feel like myself again. There is nothing like waking up and saying, oh there I am, I recognize you. I had energy again and I felt really great.
Megan
I have been meaning to writing and just say hello and thank you for being so present here. You have given so much, responding to everyone and yet you have been dealing with so much. Please, don't hold me up as any example of compassion at work or compassion all the time - I have my moments of profound insanity, but my acting skills keep much of it at bay in my public life. It is at home when I am hiding in my closet that it all comes out, splattering over everything and then I have to pull back and examine how all the pieces.
It is so hot here as well; so humid. Even in AC I feel the heat just oozing through the windows. I took a walk early this morning before the full heat of the day ( which has already arrived) and felt the loss of my dog. But then I remember, oh I don't have to pick up any poop. I don't need to come out again at mid day, and my house is so much cleaner. I looked at one of his favorite spots in the park, said hello to him, hoped he was swimming in some pond somewhere in the universe and felt a little better. I'm on the edge of tears these days. Its like I am standing on the edge of a diving board all the time, ready to fall into a well of tears. The tears are everything; joy, saddness, hope, all together. It's a choice at every moment whether to see it as saddness or joy - so I am opting for joy these days. Doesn't stop the tears. But it does change my perspective.
Stay cool.
Emily
Thanks Emily, reading along and jumping in when I can really helps. All too frequently lately in my everyday life I am having a hard time staying in conversations. I just drift off and want to get going. Even with people I normally enjoy talking to for long periods of time. Last night we had dinner with a friend we haven’t had time to see since early in the year. We originally met him in Aruba while vacationing a few years back and by the middle of dinner I realized how relaxed and comfortable I was. Even though I just let Jamie, my husband, and our friend carry much of the conversation I was just happy sitting next to the two of them. It was almost like I am conditioned to feel on vacation when I am around our friend. Funny how your mind works sometimes. We walked home in the rain and thunder; it was fun to feel like a kid splashing around back to our apartment.
I can understand about missing your dog while you were walking yesterday, he was part of your life for such a long time. I’ve shed way too many tears of sadness and joy in the last few weeks as well. I am to a comfortable point where the tears just creep up in my eyes but don’t go much further. I recognize what I am feeling or reacting to, let them and the feelings settle and move on. It is weird this new way of feeling and recognizing but I am getting use to it.
I'm staying cool best I can, wish I had room for your friends blow up pool. ;)
Where is everyone these days
has everyone just gone and self actualized?
Emily, Maybe they are staying cool.
Maybe they are just conserving energy to run their AC's and fans. They can't possibly be outside in this heat. Or maybe they are sitting for long periods of time (Om will be so happy) to converse and lower body heat. I might have seen them jumping in the hydrants with the high school kids by my subway stop. Or maybe they are sitting in kiddie pools, drinking smothies and pretending they are on a tropical island. Come out, come out where ever you are. Emily, Nico, Anya and I want to play.
heat in the city
the super of the building next to mine has set up a huge blow up pool in the side yard of his building, so his screeching children can play there. It's one of those 4 foot deep kind. Aside from being annoyed by the reverberating screams through the canyon of the courtyard, I have this fantasy of diving in from my 3rd floor window. Splash! aaah! Maybe running through one of the open fire hydrants would be safer.
Jump in Camila
Jump in, just go over there and walk right up and jump in. ;) Hopefully we'll get those thunderstorms tonight to break up some of the humidity. I love when nature rattles her way in to make everything feel better.
yes Megan
a strange cool wind just blew in fiercely and now the rain, lightening and thunder has arrived. I love how the rain hits the air conditioner unit and makes it sound like I'm under a zinc roof somewhere in Latin America.
It's amazing that I can still feel this connected to nature here in tar beach.
Camila, I feel that breeze
I feel that breeze, the thunder sounds like it is cracking on the steaming sidewalk in the alley between our building and the next. I shut off the air conditioner so I can hear it and feel it and it brings in the gift of cool air. What a gift that you can feel nature in 'tar city'.
Sleep well under those cool breezes.
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Megan, happy to hear you are
Megan, happy to hear you are feeling yourself again. Even in this heat! It is good, and sometimes so hard to do, to take time for yourself, especially when things are happening so fast and we feel responsible for so much more. There is so much that is implied and assumed without a direct word being spoken. At work or at home or with my parents and friends, so much of our communications are unspoken. Then when I think back to how I came to that conclusion, I can't really remember but for things that were said long ago and actions that left different impressions on me.
Only when I go back to those memories, sort them out, do I begin to unravel the mistakes. Anyway, I am rambling now.
Thanks for replying to my post by sharing some of your own experiences. Feel great and enjoy the hot kick off to the summer.
Nico
Ezra is on it.
This summer I am working. Its mostly babysitting and stuff. Though I only have to jobs lined up at the moment. 1 a sure thing and the other (a month long) i am interviewing for next week. And you? working? :(
Anya, I am working, sort
Anya, I am working, sort of. Only 26 hours a week. Its a temp job for an investment bank, working on their graphics presentations. My main concern now, in this heat wave we have now in NYC, is walking the six blocks to the train without turning into a sweaty mess before I even set one foot in the office! Good luck with the jobs and I'll be on the look out for the thesis.
Nico don't melt!
I know what you mean. It is sweltering here. My humble advice, which you should by no means take, is to bring a seprate pair of clothes and change in the bathroom.
Anya, this is my plan
Since I start work at 2pm today, I gotta leave the apartment at 1pm, the middle of the day, in the middle of the worst heat of the day. Walking the five blocks would leave me a sweaty mess. So I will ride my bicycle to the train, carefully choosing the shadiest streets. I will not wear my dress shirt (i will carry it in my bag), but my dress pants i am not sure about. If I put them in my bag them, it will require a new level of changing. This is my big question.
How are you doing with the heat? Had enough?
ps Saw the pdf post, looking forward to reading it.
Another morning
The most difficult transition of the day for me is when I first wake up. For a few minutes my rise to consciousness is unwanted. In fact, it slips into darkness, as if the shades that have just gone up have fallen shut.. A feeling of dread settles in my stomach and I think, “No, no, no. Must I wake up?” I am sure I have written this before. From my earliest recollection this has been so, and it grew in intensity during my early school years where my days were filled with terror and shame, and ripen again after my sister died. It is a physical memory. It is what my body remembers. Most days, I am able to shake myself from this feeling. A wiggle of the toes; a long hard look outdoors. Last year, we moved our bed so it faces the back sliding glass door onto the balcony. I have a view of the trees in the park and can, watch the seasons change and the squirrels racing across limbs. The bed is in a relatively small space, edged very closely to the wall. There is not even room for a table by my side of the bed, so my books and glasses and everything else gather under the bed along with cat hair and dust balls. I have to literally climb over Arnold or the cat to get into bed or wiggle my way in and out.. Highly inconvenient ,but well worth the gymnastics to be able to look out.
This has helped. Lately, I have been saying to myself – there is a beautiful 24 hours before me in which to cultivate compassion. Sometimes, I have to shed a few tears because they are sitting at the corners of my eyes, like guests who have been waiting all night for me to open the door. The passage through this transition has eased over the last year. Still, there is a crossing. Sitting in the morning or taking the time when I first wake up to read glides me into a new beginning. Sometimes I lose the first round and bargain with my darker side. I’ll linger in bed in a state of dread, bargaining with myself about how much longer I can hide under the covers until I must get up. But each time this happens I actually get more restless. My mind knows, even if my body doesn’t, that I want to get up and love this day and everyone in it. And now I have those morning smoothies to drink. It has become a ritual. Making them with Almond Milk is my favorite.
I still suffer. The feelings come. But they dissolve much more quickly. I have grown to love the word dissolve. I used to wish the feelings would disappear. I used to think that if I were happy, I would never suffer. The feelings still come, but their power has less of a hold.. When they arrive, I let them visit but won’t let them haul in the suitcases. Only a carry on bag is allowed.
I am a little afraid of singing the same song over and over. Oh those transitions, from night to day, from children coming and going. From youth to age. I have so much. But I admit, that a part of me still wants to hold on. Still wants that one more moment. I still cry. It just is. It just is the way it is. Me, crying. So happy. So sad. All mixed together.
ANOTHER EMILY MORNING
I am grateful to be alive so that I can cultivate compassion for all beings without exception.
sweet james
I really love this song, James. It's so delicate and sincere. I feel both your vulnerability and your opening. In some ways, I long to be that person that you are opening to, if only because you are so authentic and committed to breaking through what binds you. What a sweet space. there is fear and struggle, but ultimately there is you being with you through another.
video
hey folks -- so here's the youtube for the love song. i just made it! :D
thank you for your responses Om, Noah, camila, Em, and Ezra (btw, Ezra -- Om did a pretty good job answering your question in his response :) hope you guys like hearing it.
Super song, James. This
Super song, James. This one really flows and builds as it goes along.
james, gorgeous!
I listened to it twice and it was even better the second time.
yea i mean i guess it's
yea i mean i guess it's ok..
sometimes one can only haiku a response to such beautiful music.
my car's radio is broken
for the ride home I will think
of your song and smile
James has us all under his spell
James I was refraining from saying this cause I am trying to not write about everything in relation to myself on the blog, but I really don’t know how to articulate that way yet. Your song really touched me; I am almost embarrassed to say that I played it quiet a few times through out the day. My sister just called me, her wild life going at it’s usually double speed, I made her stop for a minute and I played it to her.
When we were kids and my sister would get very upset she would take a shower and sing her heart out. It was always so pure, so strong, so unrestrained. You could feel her heart and soul pouring through those chords. I use to sit on the stairs and listen to her, it was one of my favorite things always seemed to smooth over whatever stress I was feeling.
Today I am working from home and I had my work laptop on my desk in front of my home machine and I played your video without looking at it, just listening and working. Before I knew it I had listened to it three times and was feeling so much more relaxed. Maybe the loss you express in this song is talking directly to the loss I am feeling and I am reacting to that. Or just good old fashion transference. But I feel like there is something different about this song then the other ones I’ve listened to. It seems to come from deeper within. Without making it about me, I just wanted to share that it was exactly what I needed to hear today and really made me feel better.
love love song
this is beautiful, Megan. so many thanks to everyone for sharing your appreciation with me. this tune's a special one, indeed -- and like i said with a poem i posted a few weeks ago: please take it personally! i share the song and it is no longer mine. lovely.
Cam , your photo
The new photograph that you posted of yourself is oh so beautiful.
thanks, em!
my favorite photographer, Nadine, took it. she always brings out the most beautiful in everything.
James I love your song!
I just got a chance to listen to it now.
How swwweeeeeet, tender, loving, playful, soulful.
I love its bounce!
James, I love this one
James, there is a such a peaceful settling feeling to this song and the way you dissolve and fold into it is breathtaking.
James
I am at work, but can't work. So I have been listening to your song over and over again. Thank you for keeping me present, open and soft. Beautiful.
THE NECESSITY OF BETRAYAL
I was talking to a friend of mine about relationship and she was upset because her partner “betrayed” her. I asked how this was so. She said that he cheated on her, he slept with another woman. After further inquiry, I informed her that if in fact her partner truly betrayed her, he would never have slept with another woman. How is this so? I said that if we stay true to the most sacred teachings on and principles of intimacy, or relationship or, better yet, on spiritual practice, then betrayal would be defined as a process of a deep faith and following which, at some point, transforms the listening into a new voice of expression. The true Other is born out of the relational mirror. On the other hand, if either partner fails to listen deeply to the relationship, an old pattern will likely be sustained which, in fact, represents a loyalty to an old relational system, and acting out as a symptom to that loyalty could likely occur.
Betrayal
Om,
You said: if we stay true to the most sacred teachings on and principles of intimacy, or relationship or, better yet, on spiritual practice, then betrayal would be defined as a process of a deep faith and following which, at some point, transforms the listening into a new voice of expression.
I don't understand .
GOOD MORNING EMILY
I was just playing with some interesting deconstructionist ideas and applying them to a kind of phenomenolgy of relationship. Basically, what I meant was that betrayal is what the French philosopher, Derrida, calls counter-signature, a signature (or one's personal voice) which is true to or confirms the signature (or voice) of a teaching and is nevertheless opposed to it; it becomes my own signature. For example, I have been deeply influenced by the teachings of Freud and have attempted to study them as closely as I could to his original intention. And yet, to develop my own voice I had to oppose or move beyond Freud's limited view. I had to betray his teachings. And so, as Derrida would say, there is "a strange alliance between following and not following," where repetition is a mode of learning, but developmentally requires an animating force which becomes the follower's own unique voice; we tansform the listening into a new voice of expression.
Applied to relationship, we learn and repeat patterns that either serve or undermine true intimacy. We stay true to those "teachings" for a while and then must transform them into our own. In my case, my mother, a very simple, uneducated woman, taught me the power of love, commitment, and kindness. But, she also created some very unhealthy relational patterns based on her inability to be separate. Over time, I had to betray what I was once loyal to so that I would evolve into a more foolish version that is uniquely my voice. This was also true of my mentor and analyst and to the larger canon of spiritual teachings that I have learned over the years. The idea is to listen and learn the teachings as deeply and closely as you can so that you are better able to make those teaching your own.
In the example I used of my friend whose husband "cheated" on her, I suggested that he in fact didn't listen carefully to the unhealthy relational patterns he adopted and, as a result, stayed loyal to those unhealthy patterns. Derrida's concept reminds me of Jesus' teaching in Luke, where he says, "Let the dead bury the dead." Betray the system that binds you to stagnation.
Is that clearer my dearer? I was pretty heat-sauced last night when I wrote the post :)
Yeah....
clearer, honey. but check out my post. I edited it. Had to have a bit of fun.
EM, WHERE DID YOU EDIT
your post?
FOR ALL YOU VEDANTA LOVERS
-- and you are all so Vedanta-- I picked up a lovely copy of Brian Hodgkinson's `The Essence of Vedanta ' at Strand (for five bucks!!!) yesterday. It's a really good and accessible read. It's a nice complement to Eliot Deutsch's Advaita Vedanta, a favorite of mine.
OOps
Lost my edit:
I wanted to give my stripped down take on betrayal and see if it fits....
My man sleeps with another woman. I am enraged, self righteous. I realize, however, that what this really means is that the relationship was already in deep shit. There was stuff going on that was either buried or we just weren't dealing with. it is a symptoms that involves both partners.
But even so, just for sport, I would bite my partner's head off. Then I would cry to everyone I knew and collect as much sympathy as I could. And finally, I would, just to "cleanse my soul," write a tell all article, and ruin his reputation.
I see a sunny day ahead of me.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S MY GIRL
and don't forget the snake under his bed.
praying mantis singsong
"just for sport, I would bite my partner's head off."
i know you weren't saying this with supreme seriousness, but i figure i'll respond to it as such anyway. i like Om's take on betrayal and the unhealthy and unconscious loyalty infused in such an acting out. i also know that Om recognizes the experience of feeling betrayed -- he's just being his usual radical, challenging self, and playing (in a very very serious way, of course). i believe he'd agree with me when saying that it is extremely understandable and even healthy to feel very angry after being "betrayed." chances are this betrayal fits into patterns one has struggled with in the past -- karma has a way about these things, yes, but so does psychology. what i mean to say is that being "cheated on" feels like "betrayals" and losses and traumas suffered in the past, whatever that feeling may be for you or you or me. so in this hypothetical world: biting your partner's head off -- or, as may be the case, expressing anger and hurt and the supreme difficulty and conflict evoked by the experience -- is quite compassionate a thing to do. there is some rupture to be mended, some pattern to which your partner is being loyal, as Om puts it. "showing up," as i've come to call it, and being present with your(self and your) partner, expressing what you are feeling, is exactly what you most need. or, i should say, it's exactly what i've most needed, especially when the rest of my needs have seemed stupefied and stumbling, banging into one another and offering me very little clarity. there can be such an onslaught of feeling, so many wells being tapped into at once, a perfect storm. just imagine the strange sensation -- feeling, honoring, and expressing each of these feelings (the anger, the fear, the shame and humiliation, the sadness, the conflict and conflict and conflict, yes the love, and so much more...) without squashing any of them. and then, of course, there's the opportunity built into this re-opening of so many old wounds -- fresh blood with which to suss out the source, and mend mend mend. there's a seeing to believe / honey, there's a loss to grieve / i love you, i'll carry you / with me when i leave. and the risk -- the huge painful awesome risk -- of sticking around, and showing up, after feeling betrayed. it might not always be the case, but when there's a depth and a real friendship and a degree of responsibility, your partner will feel the betrayal, too. and then the risk -- and the opportunity within -- is truly grand. (and scary as all hell.)
JAMES AND THE REAL RELATIONSHIP
Another beauty, James. Thank you. I want to just note again that there are two types or even levels of betrayal that I was referring to: one, the more common betrayal of one’s trust, and two, the main purpose of my post, the necessary betrayal of an older or prior system of knowledge. I used the case of my opposition to Freud following, as an acolyte (from Gk. akolouthos "following, attending on”), my attempt to understand his original theoretical and clinical intentions. The betrayal is the process of counter-signing Freud’s teachings with my own unique perspective. This type of betrayal reflects, in my opinion, an evolutionary activity of consciousness seeking a higher, more integral worldview. What makes it integral is that it transcends but includes lower levels of knowledge (eg, an Einsteinian perspective – relationships-- transcends but includes a Newtonian atomistic or mechanistic worldview).
From this perspective, when applied to relationship, betrayal would reflect an overriding of old, egocentric or unhealthy relational patterns with newer, more empathic ones.
The betrayal Emily and James are stressing when talking about are the lower level acting out betrayals which reflect, as James, says, “the unhealthy and unconscious loyalty infused in such an acting out.” My play on the word “betrayal” was a challenge to my friend’s worldview of conventional relationship and asking her to go deeper into the ideas of betrayal and loyalty. Of course, when one feels betrayed, anger and even rage are understandable, but what’s most important is the way the betrayal is handled. If the one who betrays is committed to seeking a deeper understanding of his or her actions, the anger and accompanied rupture can most certainly be healed.
I think it’s also important to note that betrayal comes in many forms. Any action which undermines responsibility and commitment to the relationship is a form of betrayal. When I had a partner who had limitations in reaching a certain understanding or level of awareness that I needed to feel recognized, I never felt betrayed because I was confident her intentions were pure. However, when I knew the person had the ability to recognize me, but for a peculiar reason chose not to fully engage in the relationship, I felt betrayed. I think the last time I felt betrayed was when I was 21, though I’ve had many disappointments, the majority of which I was completely responsible for.
Knowing the other’s limitations and abilities is dependent on our own level of self-awareness. The more transparent we become, the less our projections will interfere with knowing the other. This is the true path to self-knowledge and empathy is the litmus test of its achievement.
Om, Are you saying
Are you saying that in order to move beyond betraying or being betrayed by a partner or anyone for that matter you each have to be willing to betray the learned behaviors (break the loyalty) that led to the betrayal as well as be willing to explore and heal the underlying emotional and spiritual drivers/deficiencies/needs beyond the betrayal itself? And therefore create a new realty of understanding/transparency and no longer need to betray your partner?
I get the intellectual growth and growing above the theories and using them and your unique perspective to create and expand your understanding of a subject and thus betray the original theory/teacher/thought.
If we stay with relational betrayal for a minute. For example those type of people that are habitual cheaters. What about them Om? Is it that they are reliving/enacting the same pattern (I don't love using pattern, but don't know what other word to use) and continue to betray different partners throughout their lives?
MEGAN, GREAT QUESTIONS
"Are you saying that in order to move beyond betraying or being betrayed by a partner or anyone for that matter you each have to be willing to betray the learned behaviors (break the loyalty) that led to the betrayal as well as be willing to explore and heal the underlying emotional and spiritual drivers/deficiencies/needs beyond the betrayal itself? And therefore create a new realty of understanding/transparency and no longer need to betray your partner?"
Megan, beautifully stated and yes that’s exactly what I am saying. I like how you phrase it: “no longer a need to betray your partner.” Though it’s actually an impulse because it is unconsciously driven and lacks reflection, betrayal, in the behavioral and psychological contexts, has a paradoxical quality to it. When a partner acts out he/she is actually attempting to make a connection that was missing in his/her childhood relationships. We are always motivated by emotional ties. The one who is acting out is unable to make a real connection with his/her partner for a variety of reasons (which I will talk about if you’d like). And so, there is an overwhelming anxiety engendered in the loss of connection and, consequently, the person who acts out seeks the connection with another unavailable object. It’s a kind of repetition that is never fulfilled without insight into the meaning of the acting out.
"For example those type of people that are habitual cheaters. What about them Om? Is it that they are reliving/enacting the same pattern (I don't love using pattern, but don't know what other word to use) and continue to betray different partners throughout their lives?"
The “habitual cheaters” are basically suffering from a compulsion governed by unconscious needs and fueled by intense anxiety. You can see why a lack of self-awareness is dangerous.
Om, weird beliefs without self awareness
“You can see why a lack of self-awareness is dangerous.”
I see what you mean and this helps me understand a friend of mine’s experience. Her husband betrayed her and she found out, was outraged, confronted him and began to go to therapy. When she asked him to join her in therapy so that she could help him understand why she felt betrayed he said, “Why, I don’t have a problem with this you do.” It was such a strange reaction of her need for him to see how he hurt her and his belief and lack of disregard for his actions.
“The one who is acting out is unable to make a real connection with his/her partner for a variety of reasons (which I will talk about if you’d like).”
I’d like to hear more about this inability to make a real connection and why.
MEGAN, THE REASONS FOR BETRAYAL
“The one who is acting out is unable to make a real connection with his/her partner for a variety of reasons (which I will talk about if you’d like).”
I think the one overriding reason one is able to make a real connection is a fundamantal lack of empathy. This is flagrantly clear in your friend's husband's response. Lacking empathy doesn't make you a bad person, it merely reflects your inability to feel another person's experience and relate in kind (ness). Related to a lack of empathy is a lack of self-awareness, which includes an inability to identify one's feelings and needs. Feelings and needs always go together; in fact, feelings represent the compass that directs you to your needs. If you are lacking self-awareness and the concomitant feelings and needs, it is likely that you will have great difficulty regulating your emotions. An inability to regulate emotions leads to either withdrawal or volatility, both of which are acting out reactions. Emotions, whether conscious or unconscious, govern behavior in some form.
This is why I said that a lack of self-awareness is dangerous. Even if one doesn't act out in any overt way, a lack of self-awareness can lead to anxious, fearful, repressed, dissociated, rigid, or other inhibited states and beavior.
cheatin'
I can remember the "few" times I cheated on my beau.
I remember the intense anxiety, different each time, that caused me to act-out.
I remember the first time was my first year in college. I was trying to end a relationship with a guy whom I actually really cared about but was feeling stuck in the relationship (and in which I was unable to really find intimacy - more my inability than his, perhaps, or we were similar in our inabilities). I was trying to break-up with him but didn't have the courage or the language to explain my reasons. We were at a party at Amherst College (he and I went to Hampshire, down the road). We had stolen away into a private bedroom and I told him I wanted to "talk", was trying to find the words to suggest we separate. As I'm getting all serious, he lights up a bong (which annoyed me, cause he was always smoking weed and this was one of the reasons I wanted to end it). I'm trying to say something but don't have the words. Then people come in and he's all about bringing them in and I felt angry that I couldn't get private time with him, couldn't get my words out.
I excused myself to go to the bathroom. Ran into his friend Matt (who went to Amherst) who invited me into another dorm room where no one was around, and we made-out then went at it in the adjacent bedroom. It was instantaneous. My boyfriend walked in on us. The relationship ended that night. He was really hurt by it and I felt terrible. The image of him walking in on us was seared in my brain for years... with the knowledge that I had caused that kind of hurt to someone I really cared about. I'm sure he got over it before I did.
The second time was in Italy. I had graduated from college and was entering what felt like a very important relationship with a guy from Florence. We had dated pretty regularly and I even stayed at his house while I was waiting to move into my apartment (he lived at home with his folks, as do all good italian men until they get married). For the first few weeks of our courtship, we didn't have sex, limited as we were by the environment but also by his desire to make the "first time" ceremonious. He took me to his family home in the mountains so we could have this romantic "first time"; there we did "consumate" in awkward (though sweet) intimacy. As he had to return to Florence that evening, he took me over to his best friend Andrea's house for dinner and to stay the night. Andrea and I had sex that night. I remember my reasons: I was scared of entering what felt like could be THE BIG ONE of relationships. I wasn't sure this guy was right for me, but still sensed I was falling in love with him, and with my ambition to go deep into all things Italian, I could feel my fantasy and desire were going to take me into Nicola (my guy) with seriousness (the spirit of this felt too serious for me, actually). So this time of acting-out was a way to reclaim what was familiar to me, sex of the casual kind, with an unavailable partner, under high secrecy; I wanted to re-claim my "freedom" and sense of self, apart from and free of the pull to get serious with Nicola. I never told Nicola (god, it would have completely destroyed him... especially as Andrea was his best friend since childhood).
Nicola and I continued to date seriously. A few weeks later, he went away for a weekend and I slept with another guy from the deli on the corner. When Nicola and I got even more serious and I was back in the States (and he in Italy still) I began having sex with a co-worker from an Italian restaurant I worked in. Never told Nicola about any of this. I used my acting-out on all of the various occasions as ways to check-in to the reality of my uncertainty about being with Nicola.
I finally broke up with Nicola when I knew that it would be the most honest thing to do (and though I did have strong feelings for him and felt I loved him, I knew he wasn't the right person for me -- I still wasn't ready to be in a serious relationship like that!) Of course, I never told him about the cheatin.
I've never again needed to "cheat".
I was in one serious relationship (with Phil) after that and never experienced any difficulty staying "faithful" to our relationship. I had grown up a lot in the years in between Nicola (age 22-23) and Phil (26-27). I had become more integrated and had tasted of what integrity meant to me, and I had really loved, really really learned to love, in the interim, a person with whom i was not ever in a "conventional" relationship.
I cannot say that I lacked empathy in those moments of "betrayal". I felt too strongly what "discovery" might have meant. I think rather that I was struggling to stay true to a part of myself that was wanting to stay free of the relationship and keep the doors open to a voice inside of me that couldn't express itself in the relationship. It's hard to explain and I'm not trying to make excuses because I don't need to. I just hadn't found my voice yet, my language, my center. I used to feel that I wanted the romantic fantasy and yet felt simultaneously smothered by it. Acting-out was oddly a way to find my center and recognize the deeper unhappiness. Of course, each time I was aware that I was doing it because I wanted to leave the relationship but didn't know how to.
Now I think it would be too painful to "cheat". (What a lame word for this act). Primarily because if I'm in a relationship I want to stay focused on it, even (especially) when it gets really challenging. I see no reason to be in a relationship if I'm not going to stay focused.
contemplating betrayal and loyalty
The men I have been most loyal to never offered me a conventional model of relationship. I say "loyal" in that I sought with sincere intention in these relationships to really listen to and understand their limitations and needs. And I stayed with them, near them, loyal to what I have felt as a strong desire to love them (just arises naturally), despite the suffering caused in me by their inability to turn completely towards the relationship, because I sensed in them a desire for intimacy. I sensed that I could help them (and me) find it. I hoped that through my acceptance of their needs, by giving them space, that they would feel safer opening to me. This has been the case. I have seen and felt this happen, with Antonio, then my father, and now Tony.
I am contemplating how this patient space-giving and intimacy-cultivation allow me also to feel recognized in the relationship for my ability to think "outside the box". I imagine that they will learn to feel safer with me and in those baby steps, will carry the memory of what it means to walk slowly into intimacy. I imagine there is a certain gratitude that is cultivated along that walk, a private and special place we have carved out, and in the quiet ah-ha moments a certain sense of where we are (or one is) headed if we stay in this flow together, supporting one another.
However, I have not yet seen that this practice has ultimately inspired in the man a desire to turn fully toward the relationship in the way that I imagine I would need him to (if my deeper needs of intimacy are to be met). That turning has to come from him and I don't know that I can inspire in a man this desire unless he already has it, like a seed longing to blossom, as his own desire. I also have to look at those limitations realistically and recognize that while I might be able to support him in this process, he may not be able to support me. Perhaps I find security (familiarity) in this as well, as I am used to thinking that I am the one who must ultimately count on myself. And so there is a sense that at least I know what to do, there are no surprises, I can adapt to what comes up.
It is my loyalty to a certain paradigm that I need to break through, perhaps. Though I don't know what that paradigm is, exactly, (though I feel it stemming from my relationship with my father) and I wouldn't change a thing about how uniquely I have loved through these relationships. Nor how much I have received in return through loving.
And so I sit. It's all I can do. And seek further self-awareness and transparency.
Betrayal
It is not just through sex that there can be an act of betrayal. In some ways, I think an emotional betrayal is as painful, if not more than sexual betrayal, since sex can simply be an act of sex, while the emotional pulling away is holding back and giving away a part of a relationship in different sort of way.
Over the years in my relationship with Arnold, I believe that the times when I turned to someone else to share my deepest feelings or to seek comfort which excluded him from the current of my inner life, were the times when our relationship came closest to a serious breech. Sex, without the deep emotional commitment is simply acting out, like a temper tantrum. I have heard women and men say, “Oh if my husband or wife slept with someone else that would be the end of our marriage,” and I think to myself, that the end of the marriage is that statement, but the sex itself, if it were, for instance grammar would be a series of dots…… after the sentence and not a period. It is a crying out, but often calls for a continuation. ( unless, of course, it is meant specifically to end a relationship which I have also seen). The emotional sharing or turning away from a partner seems to be the most serious in that it speaks to the very essence of relationship, and what the spoken or unspoken contract is about.
For me, this is something that I have to be conscious of all the time. It is so easy to fall into without ever admitting to what is really going on. Sex is like the big gun. This is like tiny little wounds that you don’t quite notice at first, but that can build into something serious.
breech
Emily, your comments here are so serious that I am almost speechless... not only the meaning of your words, but your tone. You have gravity.
You often complain to me that I am withdrawn from you, and these moments come at times when I am struggling with my own demons and am pulled into myself. You know that the withdrawal that comes onto me differs from what you have described. I may be withdrawn, but I have not betrayed you in the sense that you describe.
The breech that you describe is frightening. I understand how serious it is. It is like a crack in the foundation of our relationship.
Arn
Your post confuses me. I am not talking about anything specific, just a general understanding of what an emotional breech of relationship would be. Those kinds of breeches are serious for any relationship. I don't think you need to worry. I am more or less a very open book. When I do pull back, it is like you - into myself and not towards someone else. What is going on here?
a diagram of hell
I am not saying that you are talking about a specific incident between us. I am saying that your description of emotional betrayal is a powerful and frightening diagram of hell.
So arn
have you been in hell? I'd like to take credit for the road trip, but I don't think I was the driver on that one.
Miss!
Hearing fireworks that I can't see, seems to be
a very disheartening experiance.
(There are fireworks being set off the roof of my building at the moment, and while I can hear them, and see their relective glow on the building across the street, I cannot see them fully for myself and that makes me anxious. I'm missing out.)
Feeling, and not being able to fully share, presents a similar feeling of anxiety. And fear. I'll miss out. The fireworks will stop before I can climb the stairs to the roof.
LATIN AMERICAN ZINC ROOF OR CAMBODIAN TIN ROOFS
from the depth of subject
to the death of subject
to the insatiable breath
breaking through the next
barrier of awareness
and the next and next
through the murky, dense
black smoke of thought.
In the sitting, in the silence
in the looking up at my
teacher knowing that
his essence is behind the dots
of that form, but not reaching
him; mind is unable to see more
than the flattened reified form
of its struggle, dying to see more
then the language of its struggle;
dying to taste what it knows is there
and not there and there in the
forms around twenty thousand bucks
I just lost and all the children it could
feed for a year and all the shame
that wants to suck the life out of me;
but it won't, because I'm gonna sit here
until I die or until I awaken from these
delusions and illusions obstructing
my view; I'm gonna yogi my way
into smithereens and blow mind
open like a gaping hole a suicide
bomber just blew out, until every last
dime shits out of the hole, until silence
opens the view and the dizzying dying
sound of rain hitting the Cambodian tin
roofs of mind give way to the real
fragrant blooms of my teacher's
smile, where the dimes shat out
of my hole finally paid off the debt
of my parents and their parents
and their parents and all the parents
and all the beings of my parents
shitting me out of the karmic merry-
go-'round; I just want to get off this
ride and look into his eyes and
know the pain has stopped.
the yoga of betrayal
continuing the conversation, as it were. i've been travelling uptown to practice yoga with the Nomads these last two weeks. i'm hoping to go more frequently, but as yet i've just gone on mondays. yesterday (monday) i left my apartment at about 630, caught the bus crosstown to the 1 train uptown. on the way there i wrote some lyrics; when i was waiting for the train back downtown several hours later i began singing them, and when i got home at around 1AM i quickly put some chords together. i made a quick recording, which i'll share with you now. i hope to make a better one, and i've been experimenting with different ways of singing this song -- but the quick first recording captures much of the energy of the words. it's currently titled, "hard to take," but we may as well call it "the yoga of betrayal" for the blog. i think the volume should be okay.
the recording
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sometimes i think you don't know what's in store
you have vowed to be faithful quite unlike before
i can chant "we're official" now that we've been through
call the act superficial all you want
call it cheating, betrayal, or just fucking hard to take
i will follow you into the bath you've prepared
but why are you surprised that i'm scared?
i'm so happy to say i'm excited, as well
it's been years since what they put me through
now i'm trying to take steps with you, it's hard to take
cut me back open : see something to mend
you can trust me in all my mixed messages
you're holding the boy, you're in love with the man
with patience we'll scare the boy to death
then i'll finally be whole and give something hard to take
well, i've touched you and tasted, i'm new to your scent
when you asked for a song this ain't quite what you meant
but your body has hinted at secrets you'll share
i know we're just both used to pain
we've been giving our loved ones in vain, it's hard to take
now we have both seen it break
you can push me and push me i know just how hard to take
JUST FUCKING EASY TO TAKE
How in the world did I miss this? James, there is no doubt this is your most mature song yet. Though it has Dylan written all over it in its sensibility (and strangely, Phil Ochs) --and I mean this is the most complementary of ways—this is a very original song. Your voice is deeper, closer to the baritone you have spoken of, and your anger is supremely beautiful. An anger I have never heard from you before and that’s because it is so ripe with love and passion. Crazy! And it’s this anger that drips all over the notes and words and my heart as I feel it with you. In fact, it’s my favorite form of anger: protest. It’s a war protest song, the war being the battle within your heart burst open like a gaping hole from a deep wound. The most beautiful of wounds, the wound of love that sucks the breath out of us when it betrays our desire and needs. The wound that leads to death, death of the boy so the love of the man can emerge in the taste, touch and scent of a woman. It’s a wound secreting the love, both generated and separate from a Mother God, and once placed out of sight, keep secret in fantasy. It’s a wound of fear being salved, a ghost lifted like a veil by a song, a gesture, an act of suicide “cutting me back open” until the pain is so great, it’s easy to take.
yeah great song james
I have to agree with Om that it is the most mature song I've heard of yours, and I think my favorite too. I love that deep voice, confident anger--just beautiful!!! This is a new step, i think!
THE BETRAYALS OF EMILY AND CATERINA: I DID IT MY WAY
I’ve read Caterina and Emily’s posts --really contemplations-- on betrayal (three in all) and feel such appreciation for the openness and wisdom of these thoughts. They are filled with so many of what I consider for myself key points that I decided to organize them with titles so that I could better respond to them in a coherent way (to this end, I quoted either Em or Cat followed by a question or statement). The two of you have challenged me to articulate even more clearly the way I talk about betrayal, particularly the complexity engendered in its very idea. My initial post was really focused on another kind of betrayal, what I call the “necessary betrayal” of paradigm shifts, the shift of the acolyte (to follow) from a deep loyalty to a text (teaching/relationship) to the emergence of one’s own unique voice which represents a transcendence but inclusion of the earlier perspective from which one’s new knowledge or understanding emerged.
I was attempting to apply this theoretical formulation to relationship, the belief systems learned in childhood which foster loyalty but which often undermine true autonomy, individuality and freedom, the three modes of existence I value most. To betray the “old” system is in fact a reaching for a psychological and spiritual freedom vis-à-vis acts of autonomy (self-assertiveness) and modes of individuality and identity formation (“individuating”). This type of betrayal differs from but is related to the acts of betrayal described by Emily and Catherine in their posts. It is different because the betrayal I describe here represents the necessary transformation required for one’s personal evolution, one’s development and growth. The betrayal that Em and Cat describe represents a “breech” (great word, Em) in trust and undermines the intimacy and honesty and openness required for a personal evolution of consciousness. However, this second type of betrayal is related, in that betrayal itself is what I would define as, a form of “protest,” the individual’s often unconscious attempt to point to something wrong in his/her need to grow. The key here between both of these forms of betrayal is the level of awareness the individual brings to the acts of betrayal. If one remains unconscious, a repetition of old unhealthy patterns will occur which, in fact, will completely undermine, not only the intimacy of the relationship, but more importantly, one’s healing (to make whole) and personal growth.
So, the question is: does betrayal, an act of protest, represent a transformative shifting in awareness, or a repetition of old patterns which leave the individual loyal to a system that undermines her growth-- autonomy, individuality and freedom?
To answer this question, we need to decenter the experience from moralistic judgment to a psychological understanding. This is in fact what James was pointing out in his post.
Loyalty and Attuning To The Other’s Needs
“The men I have been most loyal to never offered me a conventional model of relationship. I say "loyal" in that I sought with sincere intention in these relationships to really listen to and understand their limitations and needs. And I stayed with them, near them, loyal to what I have felt as a strong desire to love them (just arises naturally), despite the suffering caused in me by their inability to turn completely towards the relationship, because I sensed in them a desire for intimacy. I sensed that I could help them (and me) find it. I hoped that through my acceptance of their needs, by giving them space, they would feel safer opening to me.”
The question I have here is: when does this “strong desire to love them” become a kind of pathological accommodation? That is, when does loving another undermine one’s own health in the guise of helping them to grow?
Feeling Recognized
“I am contemplating how this patient space-giving and intimacy-cultivation allow me also to feel recognized in the relationship for my ability to think "outside the box". I imagine that they will learn to feel safer with me and in those baby steps, will carry the memory of what it means to walk slowly into intimacy. I imagine there is a certain gratitude that is cultivated along that walk, a private and special place we have carved out, and in the quiet ah-ha moments a certain sense of where we are (or one is) headed if we stay in this flow together, supporting one another.”
This is beautiful and I ask: how do we know that our partner is capable of that intimacy we are striving for in the relationship? It seems to me that there is a connection between the need to feel recognized (and commitment to meeting that need) and the awareness and wisdom to discern the capability (not capacity!!!) of our partners. For example, if I am clear what feeling recognized feels like, and I deem recognition an absolute requirement for me to be in relationship, then a clearer sense of my partner’s capability will be revealed.
Empathy for Other and Self
“I cannot say that I lacked empathy in those moments of "betrayal". I felt too strongly what "discovery" might have meant. I think rather that I was struggling to stay true to a part of myself was wanting to stay free of the relationship and keep the doors open to a voice inside of me that couldn't express itself in the relationship.... I just hadn't found my voice yet, my language, my center. I used to feel I wanted the romantic fantasy and yet felt simultaneously smothered by it. Acting-out was oddly a way to find my center and recognize the deeper unhappiness. Of course, each time I was aware that I was doing it because I wanted to leave the relationship but didn't know how to.
Now I think it would be too painful to "cheat"…primarily because if I'm in a relationship I want to stay focused on it, even (especially) when it gets really challenging. I see no reason to be in a relationship if I'm not going to stay focused.”
I love this formulation because “loyalty” in how Cat uses it here is a mental factor, a focusing rather than a moral injunction. She is saying that one ought to be loyal (which speaks to my first formulation of betrayal) to fully embrace an understanding of the relationship’s capacity for mirroring and carrying each partner to the heights of their spiritual pursuits. Empathy here begins with empathy for self.
Loyalty
“It is my loyalty to a certain paradigm that I need to break through, perhaps. Though I don't know what that paradigm is, exactly, (though I feel it stemming from my relationship with my father) and I wouldn't change a thing about how uniquely I have loved through these relationships. Nor how much I have received in return through loving.”
Turning Towards The Relationship
“However, I have not yet seen that this practice has ultimately inspired in the man a desire to turn fully toward the relationship in the way that I imagine I would need him to (if my deeper needs of intimacy are to be met). That turning has to come from him and I don't know that I can inspire in a man this desire unless he already has it, like a seed longing to blossom, as his own desire. I also have to look at those limitations realistically and recognize that while I might be able to support him in this process, he may not be able to support me. Perhaps I find security (familiarity) in this as well, as I am used to thinking that I am the one who must ultimately count on myself. And so there is a sense that at least I know what to do, there are no surprises, I can adapt to what comes up.”
“That turning has to come from him.” There is a wisdom here that is gained by a series of failed relationships where Cat has come to realize that she cannot change her partner, that her partner has to have the capacity and be capable of meeting her needs.
Emotional Betrayal
“It is not just through sex that there can be an act of betrayal. In some ways, I think an emotional betrayal is as painful, if not more than sexual betrayal, since sex can simply be an act of sex, while the emotional pulling away is holding back and giving away a part of a relationship in different sort of way.
The emotional sharing or turning away from a partner seems to be the most serious in that it speaks to the very essence of relationship, and what the spoken or unspoken contract is about.
Sex, without the deep emotional commitment is simply acting out, like a temper tantrum. I have heard women and men say, “Oh if my husband or wife slept with someone else that would be the end of our marriage,” and I think to myself, that the end of the marriage is that statement, but the sex itself, if it were, for instance grammar would be a series of dots…… after the sentence and not a period. It is a crying out, but often calls for a continuation. ( unless, of course, it is meant specifically to end a relationship which I have also seen).”
Emily, this is so gorgeous. I love how you separated out the sexual and emotional, though in fact they are ultimately both the same. Sexual acting out is merely the symptom of an unformulated and unarticulated protest. And though it very badly hurts the partner (and might result in dissolving the relationship), it is ultimately not about the partner; it is about one’s inability to find and recognize the `I’ who seeks healing and a sufficient amount of self-awareness to begin addressing deeper psychological needs.
The Resolution of Betrayal: Contemplative Practice and Intimacy
“And so I sit. It's all I can do. And seek further self-awareness and transparency.”
HAPPY BIRTHDAY NICO!
May this year bring you lot's of love and light, as well as a deeper connection to yourself and your own freedom. and play!!
THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL
I believe all psychological (as opposed to ontological) betrayals are a betrayal of self. If I betray my partner, I am betraying myself. If I am not true to myself, I am betraying both myself and my partner. My choice to partner is the most important choice and this choice must reflect my choice to love, my choice to reach the highest peak of realization. Anything less is betrayal, the handing over of awareness to ignorance. This is the ultimate betrayal. This is why I choose you to love, for you reveal to me my highest self seeking enlightenment. You reveal to me the light that lifts the veil of fear and ignorance. You reveal to me the deepest compassion I can cultivate for all beings without exception. In you I will never hand over to ignorance my awareness.
Om's questions to me
The question I have here is: when does this “strong desire to love them” become a kind of pathological accommodation? That is, when does loving another undermine one’s own health in the guise of helping them to grow?
My sense is that as long as I am still striving and growing in the relationship, I am being served by it. If I cannot get back up on my feet after a disappointment, if I get derailed, utterly, I would say that it doesn't serve me or is too much (too overwhelming).
It would be easy for me to talk about how, at certain times and in certain ways, I do not feel recognized in my relationship with Tony, obstensibly. However, I do receive a kind of recognition that feels very deep to me and which touches me deeply. I don't think he can recognize me fully now, nor will he ever be able to fully recognize me, most likely (but then, can anyone ever fully recognize me?) I feel that that deepest recognition must come from me. The next best thing, (or the only thing) and most important, and essential to me, is the feeling that my friend/partner feels safe with me.
But the ways in which I do feel recognized by him are intriguing to me and unique. They keep me coming back. They keep me trusting in my desire to stay near him, to challenge myself and him. I am challenged often. And I like the challenge.
I am not sure in what way I might be "pathologically accommodating" him or what that would look like. Perhaps when I feel I cannot express myself or my truth for fear of losing him (scaring him away), and so I do not say something that is very important to me. But I have not yet not been able to speak my mind when something important comes up.
Some things I do not express so that I can listen to him, stay in the listening. When I get a chance at another time to respond, I respond from a place of appropriately proportioned insight, attentive to what I think he can handle (can hear and take in).
how do we know that our partner is capable of that intimacy we are striving for in the relationship?
This for me is the most challenging question as I have tended in the past (and perhaps in the present) to imagine one to have a greater capability than they do have. My way of sensing this is in listening to their desire. If they express desire for intimacy, explicitly, though they do not yet know it or define it the way I might, this keeps me curious and open to helping them (us) to cultivate intimacy. Other signs speak to me, other things that are said or communicated, about their capability (as opposed to capacity, I understand there to be the presence of "desire" and "willingness" in capability that might not be present to one who has the capacity).
I am currently curious and patient. I want to see where he wants to take the gift of our relationship. I am not saying much more right now, or describing here what he has said to me or communicated in other ways. I have to go to bed. It would take too long and is too complex and some things are just between me and him. But last we spoke he did tell me that he has told me things he does not share with many, some he has never shared with any woman. He is opening to me. Much will depend on him. I am, in the meantime, decidedly not attempting to fit this person into any scheme.
One thing I like very much is that our relationship is based heavily on talking and processing stuff.
One more thing I can say: one area in which I feel there is the question - and so caution - that I might be accommodating (pathologically) is when, through his need to control - stemming from his fear - he says something that pushes me back and I don't challenge it. I accept it (for now) as a means to stay sensitive to his needs. Certain aspects of my nature are repressed or put aside; certain aspects that have always been or felt dominant in me I am choosing to push aside as a means to cultivate more listening and compassion. This is key for me and so I am choosing consciously in those moments (I'm not making this up - it is very conscious) to not confront or greet head-on certain "fear driven" demands on his part. Rather, I assure him that I will play by his rules (within contexts where i can still be me) while engaging this deep listening that returns over time to show that I am seriously listening. And he has shown, over time, to get this. He is getting that I am actually listening without compromising myself and it is causing him to feel a different quality in the relationship with me than I suspect he has ever felt before. Or so it can be strange for him and can even cause him to seek to take a few steps back. But, so far, he comes back to the relationship consistently. And I think what he is feeling is that I am "handling" him, which seems to be the big issue for him: "you can't handle me" he has said many an occasion (more as an expression of his past experience and expectation than what he is actually experiencing now). I know that he will continue to test this. What he takes from his own test will depend on his ability to recognize that he is safe with me, and to recognize the other qualities I bring to the relationship, and to actually chose those qualities as ones he actually wants more of in his life, if we are to continue.
Because safety doesn't mean that he wont be challenged, so he'll have to desire the challenge, the way in which our relationship can support his already present desire to grow, if that is present and I believe that it is, but I don't know yet if it will win out over the pull of the old safety of what is, though limiting and isolating, familiar.
RELATIONSHIP LITMUS TEST
“My sense is that as long as I am still striving and growing in the relationship, I am being served by it. If I cannot get back up on my feet after a disappointment, if I get derailed, utterly, I would say that it doesn't serve me or is too much (too overwhelming).
I feel that that deepest recognition must come from me. The next best thing, (or the only thing) and most important, and essential to me, is the feeling that my friend/partner feels safe with me.
Perhaps when I feel I cannot express myself or my truth for fear of losing him (scaring him away), and so I do not say something that is very important to me.”
This is a great guide for relationship, Caterina. My “striving and growing” can only be determined by me and so the deepest recognition must indeed come from me. On the other hand, as a mirror, the recognition from one’s partner cannot be overemphasized. It’s not a perfect recognition, of course, but a recognition which feels good enough and inhabiting one’s consciousness without inhibit one’s growth and focus. To that end, I think it equally important for both partners to feel safe, and this is where empathy has its primary role. If I do not feel safe in my vulnerability – and vulnerability is vital for growth – the relationship needs to be put into question.
FUNERAL FOR A BLOG: IS IT TIME TO SAY GOOD-BYE?
Let's discuss whether it's time to say good-bye to the blog. It seems as if we're moving in that direction. It's been a most beautiful run but, like all things, impermanency rules :) What do the rest of you think? I'm comfortable with ending at this time.
Ending.....
Well, I don’t know what to say.
Is this death? Or is this murder?
Is it time to end because the blog has come to it’s natural end – or is it time to kill it?
Is s my lover telling me that he has been thinking about this for a long time and thought, I knew? If one person wants to end it, can another stop it…..
DON’T YOU ALL LOVE ME ANYMORE?
HOW COULD YOU?
Fine, Fine.
I don’t care. I don’t need you anyway. I have been secretly meeting with my other blog lovers that you don’t know about.
I’ll show you. I’ll have a super blog life without you.
I won’t sign anything. I won’t allow visitation rights to Mr. Plumbean.
I’ll show you. I haven’t grown. I haven’t matured. Your loving kindness has failed me. I am mean. I am a shit. I am spiteful.
OK…. When I am finished acting out, I may get serious. But my fingers are in my ears. I am sticking out my tongue.
Why good-bye?
Om, are you unhappy with the discourse of the blog? Is it not living up to your expectations and now you wish to move on?
I definitely want to keep in touch with Mr. Plumbean at least. And the microwave too.
But seriously, Em, please don't leave, it just wouldn't be the same. I am sure Om is just being provocative. You know, one of his death's of one stage and the birth of a new one. And so on and so on. Creation and destruction, creation and destruction, endlessly.
Nico
I am not going anywhere.
If Om tries to leave - well, I know his number. I know how to travel. I know how to stalk. Ask Arnold. I don't let people leave lightly.
Yeah Om.... why now?
stalking works, em. just
stalking works, em. just follow the smoothie trail all the way to mexico where the sun shines and the waves roar.
end?
It may be the end of this conversation. What I read from your messaage, Paul, is that it is the end of your part in the conversation. That is, of course, perfectly understandable. Any of us might come to that point. You have played a very large roll in the conversation. Perhaps, without you, it will die. Time will tell.
goodbye is just another word for hello
I don't think that Om was saying that he wanted out of the conversation. I think he was saying that if we all mutually decide that the time has come, he would be okay with the natural end of this cycle. Perhaps too, as Nico suggested, he's just being provocative to get us to all come out of the woodwork. There has been a lull in the conversation, as there always are, but that doesn't mean we have to call it quits, unless that's what everyone is feeling. good question to bring up. it's healthy to constantly ask ourselves, What are we here for? and, Is this still serving me/ my community?
I still read you all every day!
I really do, but I dont write that much because lately I have not wanted to write, not wanted to invest so much energy in this computer space. I like to be outside, I like to see people in person, I'm about to run off to help build an organic farm / permaculture in California, go to South America to learn Spanish and invest some energy in learning to climb. I guess I'm just not feeling this text based communication as much these days, especially after meeting so many of you in person--that felt so much more rich to me. Anyway, I I'm not that good at keeping things up when my needs change. Maybe thats not very responsible, I guess its inconsistent, and I certainly worry sometimes that it will cost me friends :/... In any case, that doesn't mean we can't keep this space for a while as long as enough of you are getting good use out of it. It's seemed like several of you are still putting a lot into it.
Im so happy this blog brought new people directly into my life and I look forward to spending more time with some of you in the physical world :))) Lots of love!
Nice to hear from you Noah
Noah, It's nice to hear you are still reading everyday. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us about the current state and future of the blog. I can understand your change in needs from text based relationships to real 'rich' relationships. It is a powerful result of the very intimate and public process you experienced here. You gave so much of yourself and to others in hundreds of conversations throughout the duration of this blog. And you had faith in the unknown, giving all of us, merely strangers, a chance to experience a new level of intimacy and self awareness through the mirror of these amazing relationships that has enriched our lives in so many ways.
I am also really excited to hear about your plans of helping start an organic permaculture farm and to travel and climb. They will all be very enriching and challenging experiences I am sure.
Here's the deal
I love you. I am not going anywhere. The blog means so much to me. I'd love to see it grow a little, but don't know who or how to invite more people in to play. It is something to think about.
For me, the blog is always a night at someone's house with a long dining table filled with great food ( provided someone else is cooking), lots of drink, and great conversation. The door is always open and quite frankly, I rarely feel lonely. You are my friends and my family of choice. My history with you is in the present.
The fact is - blog, or no blog, I intend to keep you in my life. I prefer the blog as a means of sharing as opposed to sending Hallmark cards at the holidays. I want to know your lives withouting having to send out multiple choice questions about your the state of your being. I want you all to visit me when I am in an Assisted Living home and bring me medical marijuana and have the staff make me smoothies with flax seed oil, bee pollen, and trace minerals, although, we will need a doctor's order for that too. No shit.
When I first began writing to this blog I thought I had a young boy as a son, but now I have a young man. I thought I was my dead sister, but I know I am myself. I didn't know if I would like any of you, but I knew that I would love you. Now I know that I like you as much as I love you. I see my reflection in all of you. I see the very best of who I am because you help make it so.
So, Om..... that's my answer. Plus, I feel like bopping you on the head. If there is ever going to be a funeral - it has to be planned. Like a villa in Italy or something. I am not going quietly or without a whole lot of fun.....
end? continued
Guess I was acting out a little anger. It was an expression of affection.
say goodbye my baby
last night i was with my girlfriend -- i've got one of those, i know i haven't been terribly explicit about it -- and our conversation led me to quote the first few lines of my "new love poem." (--looking inside each other's looking--) i knew she wouldn't be terribly happy about that, but there was something i was trying to share with her and something i needed to express. i asked her to bear with me for the brief moment, then i quoted the lines, and then she said that she rolled her eyes after the first three words "even though you asked me to bear with you." a few minutes later she said something that sparked so many images and sensations and i closed my eyes and began to weep. when i turned back to her she said, "what was that for?" i looked to her with as much attention as i have in me and said, "my relationship with Eva." Eva is who i experienced that moment of looking with, not all that many months ago.
i explained that when my relationship with Eva ended, i just pushed it away. i went off to Antarctica, didn't think about Eva, and just told myself i was fine. i got back to New York for one day, freaked out -- had no idea where in the world i was -- and then went off to Iceland to ponder Eva Eva Eva while walking around in the snow. Iceland -- rarely am i so brilliantly alone as when in Iceland. i came back to New York, met up with Eva and felt utterly bored and distant. she was gone, totally gone. from looking inside each other's looking to hardly peaking out behind her wall. i realized this was my opportunity to learn how to grieve. i spent much time here on the blog and elsewhere working on this -- asking what grieving is, finding my feelings and sinking into them, crying, cursing, conversing. and every time i thought, "wow -- i've grieved!" something came back up. i realized that i wasn't just grieving Eva, but so much else. there is so much to be sad about. and then i was sitting there in my girlfriend's kitchen and i felt such caring sadness for myself and my loss, and i believe it got her angry. a short while later she told me that if we were just friends it would be a great space for grieving my relationship with Eva, that she would encourage it; but that because we are in a romantic relationship, it's not the right place for grieving old romantic relationships. i angrily said, "that's fucking counterintuitive."
if you all remember, this would not be our first funeral for the blog. the blog has died once before and we celebrated, and then we all came back and sprouted some flowers from the dirt of the grave. everyone seems curious about what Om means, where this is coming from, what his intentions are. are you saying that the blog HAS died? or that it WILL die? are you saying that we ought to kill it, or that we are failing to recognize the dying taking place right before our eyes? and so on, and so forth. i for one would be content to bury the blog. i love all of you very much, and i've grown to know you quite intimately, in some ways. i speak with some of you outside of the blog, and will continue to get to know you all better. when i read Om's post i was surprised at my calm concurrence. i thought to myself, "i would have imagined myself defiant and resistant to this." i have a lot to be sad about, and i also have a lot to be angry about. the death of the blog -- for me that is nothing but crisp sadness. i have learned so very much here. perhaps this contentment is a function of the space i'm in. i'm not sure if i'm isolating myself, or being distant, or dissociating, or anything of that sort this week. maybe. or perhaps it's that my needs have evolved, along with my awareness. i'm leaping a new hurdle, and i don't really know how to get over it; that's cool with me. if you, love, still need me to show up here, in this space, to share with you and to be shared with, then i'll donate some of my blood and we can once more usher in a rebirth. if not -- what are we fighting for?
go with your gut
I like this litmus test.
I think it equally important for both partners to feel safe, and this is where empathy has its primary role. If I do not feel safe in my vulnerability – and vulnerability is vital for growth – the relationship needs to be put into question.
I think that we/I have the tendency to try to make relationships work that are really untenable from the start based on misguided desires for companionship and connection. I can honestly say that I have grown from each experience I've had, especially in my last significant relationship, but it is usually apparent from the start whether or not someone is capable of true intimacy and of recognizing me. Sometimes you have one and not the other, or parts of each, which can be tricky, but I'm beginning to see how a person tells you from the very start what they are about and how much they can give to a relationship. Sometimes they are striving to be grow and evolve in relationship and are doing the work, and other times they have the desire, but not the will. Still other times, the direction in which they are heading is just not the same as yours and you should stay on course. The first instinct is usually the right one. No matter what, everyone has something to teach us, and we can only be in the relationships that we are prepared for. Someone once told me (Om) that the types of relationships that we have in our life (friends, lovers, family, whatever) are a direct reflection of where we are at psychologically.
CAMILA'S `GO WITH YOUR GUT' THEORY: INSTINCT IN SYNC
I love this post, Cam. I always go with my instinct even though I've been wrong 100% of the time. But, that's the point, I'm even provocative with myself. And I always fall in love with the wrong people who end up hating me. This last time I fell in love the (slightly twisted yogini-pretzelled) woman called me a vampire and a beast. It's strange how words can just make me feel so alive. Even Emily is starting to hate me. God, I am so happy.
FOLLOWING IS CAMILA'S LITMUS TEST FOR RELATIONSHIP (BRILLIANT!). LET'S CONTINUE WORKING ON THE LIST.
1. It equally important for both partners to feel safe, and this is where empathy has its primary role. If I do not feel safe in my vulnerability – and vulnerability is vital for growth – the relationship needs to be put into question.
2. Be discerning of misguided desires for companionship and connection.
3. It is usually apparent from the start whether or not someone is capable of true intimacy and of recognizing me.
4. A person tells you from the very start what they are about and how much they can give to a relationship.
5. Sometimes they are striving to grow and evolve in relationship and are doing the work, and other times they have the desire, but not the will.
6. Still other times, the direction in which they are heading is just not the same as yours and you should stay on course.
7. The first instinct is usually the right one.
8. No matter what, everyone has something to teach us, and we can only be in the relationships that we are prepared for.
9. The types of relationships that we have in our life (friends, lovers, family, whatever) are a direct reflection of where we are at psychologically.
gee Om
can you organize the rest of my thoughts for me too?
that's amazing!
10. if you feel a lot of anxiety about sharing something, determine whether it's your fear of being vulnerable, or your instinct that this person really can't handle it.
Litmus Test
Here are a few of my thoughts on this litmus test.
I've learned that relationships change over time. Growth, needs, roles, priorities and perspectives in partnerships change and sometimes without awareness those changes feel threatening. But with awareness – self awareness and awareness of the needs of that relationship you can be secure enough in the relationship to allow it to change and grow with you. I think this is the biggest thing I learned this past year in terms of my relationship with my husband and the strangeness of our first year being married, even though we dated for over 11 years before then. (I met my husband in 93 and began dating him in 95 and we are certainly not the people we were then.)
If you are growing faster or sooner than someone in a relationship you need to have the patience and faith that they can grow with you and show them how by practicing being present and being content.
A person in a relationship sees the unlimited potential in you and always believes more in you then you do in yourself. This can mean they give you the love and support and guidance you need to find that potential and is able to put you in your place and give you perspective when you need it.
That you can be responsible to another person, you don't have to be responsible for them. And by doing this you can support them and not have the need to fix them and things for them.
I've also learned that I don't need to remain in relationships just because I feel bad about breaking my loyalty or because I don't like the uncertainty of change.
My husband (and Om) have also taught me that you can't take yourself or your relationship too seriously.
It is important to be able to share emotions, if you can laugh together and cry together than you can get through anything together.
My favorite and I learned this the hard way from my relationship with my family, my dad and especially when I dated George. A partner is secure enough in your commitment to them and the relationship (and themselves) to allow you to be an individual in the relationship and to have your own voice and needs outside of the relationship and to foster healthy and supportive relationships outside of your partnership.
Thanks, Camila, for the warm
Thanks, Camila, for the warm wishes of light and love and connection. I too hope for the same for myself, for you, and everyone else on this blog. and pretty much anybody else that strives for these suffering-busting feelings.
nico
you're a suffering-busting feeling.
I'll give you a
I'll give you a suffering-busting feeling!
Ka-Pow!
nico
only because it's your birthday, I'll let you have the last word.
but we all know you're a softie anyway and wouldn't know a ka-pow from a coronel kung pao chicken.
Where am I?
Here I am.
Tonight Dad's Tai Chi class ended up in one big game of peek-a-boo.
As I struggled with presence (as we always struggle with presence) and a glum, spacy-ness, he tried to ground me and help me back into the world from wherever I had been.
Establish presence. Where am I? Oh, here I am.
Instant success. I could resist his pushes with ease. His challenges were saying "you are over there" and all I had to do was ask where am I? here I am. not over there. and the feet grew roots. no moving me. establishing an I-YOU relationship with myself. with my body-mind.
so where do you go from there?
well if I am here, where are you? Oh, there you are!
and boom. papa goes flying backward.
that's establishing engagement. an I-YOU relationship with the other person. the second step in his five steps to energetic coherence. (oh boy... he's working on another book now. that's why I've been misplacing my car keys and forgetting what day it is.)
so I went from up in the air, tears in the eyes, no ground ceili to present, quasi-coherent, calm ceili with just a couple simple questions that can take less than a second to feel. Thank Buber!
anyway the point is that this is the pinnacle of doing the dishes. just to try being present as much as possible, every day, all the time.
I guess we'll find out what the next steps are in class next week. (oops, I won't be there! good thing I have an insider source)
So where is everyone?
Ceili
your dad teaches Tai Chi?
And you take his classes?
how cool!
My dad is peeing his bed and the couch (when he naps). it's also where I sleep when I visit, so the smell of urine took some getting used to but I dealt.
And he has a ghost who crawls up his leg and makes him pee without warning.
I was doing the "Who you gonna call?" to my dad this weekend when he talked about the ghost. Well, I also listened empathically, of course, but the joke made him laugh.
Now I know I'm going to call Ceili's dad!
Where are you?
Here!
Ceili 2
So you and the other you took this Tai Chi class with your dad, and you and the second you kept each other present and aware?
Stand up and be recognized, came to my mind as I read your post. It is one of my favorite Frederick Busch short stories. Stand up and be recognized, stand up and be present, stand up and be aware. I think you were all those things and more.
where are you now, though?
End or new pace
I only have a minute, but saw this conversation about the end and had to pipe in. I think that the blog lulls more then it did before. But persoanlly I like it this way, it gives me a few days to contemplate the topcis and ask more questions when I am ready, before the converstation moves beyond my thoughts. Om, can you be more clear on what you mean please?
sweat sorrow
I didn't get a chance to read everyone's comments before I was running from work to an appointment about the end to the blog. But now that I've had a chance to read I can better understand Om's question (although you never know he could just be trying to get everyone else to come jump back in, good old fashion shock theraphy). And now I have very mixed feelings. I'll have to sit and think about this some more.
Oh la la
I'm still showing up. I am dancing around. Singing too. I like sandboxes and swings. I can hang out and be very very cool. My party isn't over. I even party when I go to bed.
New to the blog
Hello. My name is Stella and I just learned about this blog. I heard that folks were coming and going and some new people were welcome to join. I've been thinking about it for awhile now, but being a little, shy, I wasn't sure how to introduce myself. People tell me that I have no depth, but I think they just don't know me. It's true that my life seems very superficial and that everything in my world has to match - no stripes and dots together, no mixing fabrics or serving two greens at one meal. I feel that I have made great progess in the last few months. Last week my bra did not match my underpants. That was HUGE. For breakfast I eat a bowl of bran with a half of banana, a cup of drip coffee.
thank you so much for letting me share myself. I have told a few people I know about this blog. I am going to try and convince them to just try it out.
Welcome Stella! Have you
Welcome Stella! Have you come to the funeral of the blog?
Or its rebirth?
Either way, hope to see you here more often, matching or not.
EMILY AND MY CONSPIRACY THEORY
I think Stella is really Emily trying to keep the blog going. She will go to any length to keep it alive, so will do anything, even stand on the corner with Noah's business cards which say READ MY BLOG. She's lost it, I'm sure of this.
Stella, the blog. etc
Yes, Stella is me and I am Stella, and a million other characters that I create. I was actually thinking that if no one shows up to the blog anymore than I will just create a cast of characters and have myself one hell of a party. I had a great time writing it..... but I am at peace with whatever happens now. My writing continues. Friendships can take new forms and grow if we choose.
As for the blog and it's future.... I, like Om, can show up here indefinately. I write. I like the sense of connection. It is an easy place for me to be. I am working on a novel and so much of me is so much of it and as I explore myself more and more deeply, my characters iare able to fly only as high as I allow myself. This conversations here have fed so many part of my life. The blog will shift, if it remains, no doubt. I know there are lots of things to share, to question - I am always up for the journey. But I realize that this is a time in my llife when I have the space to take off in many directions and have more time to do so. Not everyone shares this same space. I
Now having said that, I have some requests and some anger to share. I will process this seperately with Cat ( Cat if you are here this is for you, as well as others). Om, you mentioned in your post that in terms of the blog Caterina has lost interest (personal communication). I am not sure what that really means, but since it was brought up here, I will begin my response here. It made me angry. It stung. Whatever the lost interest, there was intimacy here and conversations that mattered.to me. Was interest lost in the conversations or what is lost in me? I have to ask because that is what came to my mind. I want to know. The feeling I had when reading those few words reminded me of times in my life when I began to doubt my reality about a relationship I had with someone who I had been very close with and then just left my life as if I never mattered. Transference???? Of course. But all the same the loss of interest is about what??? the content of the relationship ??? I want to know what is going on as people pull back just as I wanted to know how people arrived.
For my part, I will not just disappear. Whether we continue here or in another form, or not at all - the relationships here matter to me. Connections stay alive for me. I want to fully acknowledge them even if we move in difference directions.
STELLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Stella my ass. I am the shit. Huckabee Fuckabee. I'm Huckleberry Hound at your service. I chased her down and found her. Click here.
reluctantly
Even though I have only occasionally "shown up" at this blog conversation, I have been here as a reader every day. As it winds down, I will miss hanging out, a lot. It has been part of my landscape.
I reluctantly accept that the forward energy of this conversation seems to be winding down. If a new conversation were to begin, perhaps with different participants, it will be somethiing else with a different rational.
I know some of your email addresses. Whatever happens, that contact information should be shared before the end. I recomment that Noah distribute those addresses.
Gee Arn
Don't give up so easily.
As for me, I don't mind being the last one standing. I want to hang around and see everyone off before I take off myself. Just that maternal instinct I guess. Relationships sometimes have to be fought for. Sometimes it doesn't work. But, the fight is sure interesting. And sometimes, it all works out , and then, oh sht, you sometimes wish it didn't.
HEY STELLA, OR WHOEVER THE HELL YOU ARE
"Relationships sometimes have to be fought for."
Music to my ears.
Cat
I want to try and keep this simple.
I had no reason to believe that what Om shared was not true. I thought you had lost interest in the blog. That felt bad. It hurt. I wanted to know what was going on. If I made an assumption about you, I apologize. But I am not sorry for expressing myself to you. In my mind, sharing my feelings in that way is an act of friendship and trust. I am sorry you felt attacked.
A LITTLE POOPY
Looks like there was a little rupture here and i take complete responsibility for it. First of all, Caterina is absolutely correct, I should have asked if she would mind if I shared her thoughts. I apologize, Caterina. My intentions were pure and, up to this point, we've had some excellent conversations about the future of the blog, now that Noah is leaving. It is an appropriate time, as we have all agreed. Let's continue the discussion.
Em and Om
I am glad, Emily, that you shared your feelings with me.
I didn't say that I felt attacked (here).
In any case, I consider this whole conversation a gift, really.
I haven't lost interest in the blog. I check it when I can, which is almost every night. And I have been posting lately. One of the things I came to realize, and that I expressed in that conversation with Om on the phone, was that through the process of being invited to share myself through writing, here, I've come to share a part of myself which is very intimate (through the written form) and in doing this, and receiving your feedback and reflections, has all come to help me feel more recognized and empowered in general.
I have felt a change in the blog's energy lately. I think this is due to the turning point in Noah's life and while I don't think I was writing or sharing only (or consciously) for Noah's sake, there was a kind of invitation and seeking that was coming through Noah's baptism of and intention behind this project that has been something of a guide for me.
I have also been in a kind of semi-solitary contemplative space lately, processing stuff at a very deep and daily (constant) level, that I haven't been able to share, to bring this processing back clearly to this forum.
I wish that I could, actually. Though I feel strong and good about the work I've been doing. I don't know if I will be able to process what I've been going through here. Some of it is so personal, or needs to remain in a private place for now.
But this conversation has been like a gift for me, and I felt a renewed energy and hope which came through Emily's confrontation (even if I didn't like the way it was framed - or how I was framed! LOL!!) because in responding to it I found I was able to recognize an issue that I have long dealt with in myself (how I can go so readily to the abandonment fantasy, how the person with whom I am seeking relationship suddenly in my mind becomes seen through a very extreme and negative lens).
Yesterday i made a pronouncement to myself: I am done being afraid of getting hurt. It doesn't make sense anymore. if I'm afraid, I imagine this person has the power to hurt me. If I am so afraid, it means I don't trust them. If I don't trust them, why would I allow myself to get hurt by them? How can they really hurt me? It goes back to what Om or someone was saying about transparency: when you really love (or care about) the person, you aren't taking personally their moments of dissociation but are seeking to recognize where they are coming from from within that their own psyche.
This pronouncement yesterday was tested today through this confrontation, but from an unexpected angle. I realized that I really am not afraid to get hurt and this opens the door again to allowing myself to relate, to be open, to be myself. That's cool. I don't know how it felt tested or confirmed by Emily's confrontation. Maybe because she was so open and it allowed me to be open as well and feel my natural response come from a grounded place.
So there's a gift in that.
I know Om's intentions were pure and appreciate his response to my feelings.
I know Em's intentions were pure too. So we're all good.
Back to the blog: I don't see it ending, kaput. It just is what it is. There also seems to be enough interest on here to keep it going.
But it will change, has already started to change.
Summer is a funny thing too. As Noah said, I too feel like I want to spend more time outside or going to bed early and getting up early and so may visit less. We've not yet been through a summer together.
:)
There's always more. Even in death.
and I held you in my arms so strong!
for all you blog lovers, hopin' it will never end
in heaven
I can't believe I found this.
My favorite bands of all time, Pink Floyd and CSN together...
oh my god.
Here is David Crosby and Graham Nash doing back up vocals for one of my favorite SONGs of all time with David Gilmore.
I am dying.
Cat has a point
"As Noah said, I too feel like I want to spend more time outside or going to bed early and getting up early and so may visit less. We've not yet been through a summer together."
Cat has a point, It is summertime, we are all self proclaimed outside people. I myself would spend every waking hour outside when it is this nice out if I didn't have to go to work. We have nurtured each other through the seasons that are dark and set the stage for being inside. Is there a problem with slowing down a bit during the summer? What if this is just summer break and we see how it pans out?
I agree with Megan. Let's
I agree with Megan. Let's see what pans out.
And Megan, good to see you in the GM discussion.
what happens when we assume
... I have some requests and some anger to share. I will process this seperately with Cat ( Cat if you are here this is for you, as well as others). Om, you mentioned in your post that in terms of the blog Caterina has lost interest (personal communication). I am not sure what that really means, but since it was brought up here, I will begin my response here. It made me angry. It stung. Whatever the lost interest, there was intimacy here and conversations that mattered to me. Was interest lost in the conversations or what is lost in me? I have to ask because that is what came to my mind. I want to know. The feeling I had when reading those few words reminded me of times in my life when I began to doubt my reality about a relationship I had with someone who I had been very close with and then just left my life as if I never mattered. Transference???? Of course. But all the same the loss of interest is about what??? the content of the relationship ??? I want to know what is going on as people pull back just as I wanted to know how people arrived.
It is well to doubt the reality of a relationship when you read something someone wrote about another person's thoughts (which don't adequately reflect or give any credit to that person's thoughts) and assume that you are seeing right into that person's mind who isn't even there to speak for herself. Taking "those few words" and running with them can be useful, perhaps, to look into your transference, the fear of losing the ground, but in doing so YOU LOSE THE GROUND! Those words cannot be used to understand my thoughts or feelings especially since they weren't even written by me!
And letting them carry you into the fear certainly does not reflect the reality of
our relationship. Or maybe it does... Maybe that's just it. Those few little words are the relationship. (And they aren't even mine). So maybe we should doubt the reality of it!!
Speaking for myself, I haven't "lost interest" and i don't feel comfortable with Om sharing something (extracting something) I said to him privately in a phone conversation and writing it on the blog. I mean, if it were something relatively benign, I wouldn't mind (but as this is a little more provocative, I would have preferred he asked my permission to share first, and I would have said, "No, let me talk for myself.")
I have not yet shared with the blog any thoughts about how I feel about the blog, or about it's so-called "ending" or anything. I've been really busy, lately, and didn't even go on-line when i got home last night (late) and chose to spend the time talking with a dear friend on phone. I hadn't even seen what was posted! I haven't disappeared, or decided to leave the blog and not say anything. That's shitty. I don't do that.
I am most intrigued as to why those little words (while it is Om provoking all this) however inspired anger in you, Em, towards "me". Why me? Why "Caterina"?
I'm over the narcissistic wounding of "how could you think me possible of just taking off" and just wondering why you jumped to the fear, so extreme, of such extreme abandonment.
In some ways, I can relate (he he - boy, that's the understatement of the century... no REALLY) because I have been traumatized too by such extreme abandonment, such unpredictability, such let downs. I have tended to see signs of the extreme abandonment about to happen everywhere, especially when I was beginning to open to a relationship. I'd expect them, fear them, see them and then VOILA! create the abandonment!!
I mean, yeah, I didn't do it on my own (the person didn't have the ability to see my projections as such and got stuck in the wounding of my demands for security). I just don't want to create the feeling of abandonment anymore.
kiss,
cat
ANNOUNCE A DEATH AND EVERYONE RUSHES
in to get a free meal. I appreciate everyone stepping up to share their thoughts and feelings regarding continuing the blog. I think Camila said it best for me: " it's healthy to constantly ask ourselves, What are we here for? and, Is this still serving me/ my community?" This is exactly what I had in mind. And since we were talking about necessary betrayals and the needs of relationship, it felt to be an appropriate time to ask the question: do we want to continue? I'm not sure this is merely a lull; it feels more like an ending of some sort, though I am happy to admit that I'm not sure what kind of ending it is.
I have loved supporting and participating with our blog community, and am particularly proud of Noah for taking this project on. The conception and birth of the blog will always be a tender and funny story, and I think that Noah's original objective in creating the blog was reached. What I don't think that he nor I realized was just how profound and transformative an experience it would become for all of us.
With that said, the blog represents a relationship, and the needs of relationship change over time. Personally, I could stay here indefinitely. I write everyday and the blog has been the space for me to express many of my ideas and connect with all of you on very intimate levels. The truth of the matter is, however, is that our community is small, so that when a few people don't participate, the energy greatly shifts. For me, if I am to continue, I would need a commitment from others to continue to keep the discourse on the blog at a high level. That might be asking too much. As Noah shared, he has pretty much dropped out. And James would be "content to bury the blog." Caterina has lost interest (personal communication) and the rest of us show up with less frequency. Ironically, the once scaredy cat Camila has been a consistent contributor with very beautiful posts. And so, I'm not sure what I want to do. Commitment is a big deal to me, and I've hounded Noah and others about it for a while. I've showed up consistently and posted almost daily along with Emily despite a few times I didn't want to. I think we both implicitly recognize that relationship is about showing up, even when you don't want to. This is especially true of a blog where readers, who don't post, check in daily with the expectation of a new communication. If the communication is not there, there's a good chance they'll move on.
So, it's time we discuss what we all want as a family/community, whether we as individuals agree or not. Everyone is completely free to follow their needs but we all need and are responsible to express what those needs are. This is what family means. It's a beautiful process and we're all blessed to have each other, even if we decide to leave. And so, this is a kind of death because we are in transition and, as Nico said, each death is a new birth.
Om, looking back on it, the
Om, looking back on it, the pizza party was a break through and a transition. Many of the personalities in the blog got to meet each other and transition those relationships. I do think if was the end of something different for everyone there. It was was an opportunity to go deeper or to stay in the pre-party stage of blog communications only.
I know that for me, I have connected somewhat better with different people in the blog, but the transition has not fully blossomed as I have not taken full advantage of it. However, I still think the blog have much to offer in different parts and stages as different chords are struck and played out by the different players. For me it is a place where I can come to and share and feel safe. For me for now, that is enough to keep me coming back.
juicy
Oh my Om, have you stirred up the pot!
As you have commented on, I have become more active on the blog of late, even though I have felt a definite energy shift in recent weeks and have also felt less connected to the blog because of what seems like a lack of oomph. Without our fearless leader, Noah, we were set adrift in the open sea with no direction home :). Since this is not an authoritarian or topdown structured blog, it shouldn't matter, but with his departure, and the "loss of interest" of some other major contributors, I think that we lost the motivating force that bore this community and kept it thriving for the past several months. I too think that the pizza party marked an ending and beginning to the relationships formed here. I personally would be very sad to see this end completely. I have really loved coming here everyday to explore ideas, share, process, and write in a way I never have before. I have learned so much from all of you. You have stretched me and enabled me to use a voice that has been dormant in me for a long time.
As I said yesterday, I think that it is healthy to raise these questions about where we should go from here. This blog community was formed organically and almost spontaneously, and in the same way, it can change and evolve now too. It's like plowing the field, you gotta churn stuff up in order for new life to grow. I also agree with Om that it's about committment and showing up. If I haven't contributed in a while I try to write something regularly to let you all know I'm here. If others are willing to continue, I would keep it up. Emily, I'll be here to respond to you, Stella, Mr. Plumbean, and your cast of characters.
Don't forget Em's
Don't forget Em's microwave. It has deep philosophical tirades with plumbean!
Emily I feel your presence
I see your name logged in and I can feel you, standing right outside the door peering in and saying, "I am not leaving and I will not let you go either."
I love you and your strength.
Om
You said Even Emily is starting to hate me.... oh sweetheart you wish! Where is this coming from?
I
I AM BEYOND BEING AND NON-BEING
Sri Nisaragadatta Maharaj is the quintessential light of transmission. He is a supreme conveyor of Realization. Here, he explains the wisdom of nondual awareness and the vehicle for reaching its peak. I love his description of meditation.
M: Perfection is a state of mind, when it is pure. I am beyond mind, whatever its state, pure or impure. Awareness is my nature; ultimately I am beyond being and non-being.
Q: Will meditation help me to reach your state?
M: Meditation will help you to find your bonds, loosen them, untie them and cast your moorings. When you are no longer attached to anything, you have done your share. The rest will be done for you.
I get this
I get this. Letting go is another matter.
ties that bind
Personally I feel very rebellious towards this way of thinking. I like to be moored. I like the word moor. I likes Moors and Moro (rice and beans). For me, it's more about always asking what do I want to bind myself to? otherwise I'd just be floating out in space and not caring about anything, or as one of my yoga teachers likes to say, like a squirrel who's only concern is scrambling around for nuts and shelter. I know that's not what you're saying, Om, and I'm all about non-clinging, but that's what is evoked for me when you describe your way of being. It makes me really anxious really. I guess that means I should look at it some moor. :) I'd rather eat a samore instead.
CAMILA TIES ME UP, TIES ME DOWN
Camila, my love, in your post you say, "Personally I feel very rebellious towards this way of thinking."
The fact that you feel rebellious IS my way of thinking. If you are rebellious, you can't be moored. Moored is bored. More is better but ultimatey dissatisfying. You say, "For me, it's more about always asking what do I want to bind myself to?" This sounds very sexy. Why don't you bind yourself to me and we'll go surfing for a while on a great wave? Remember, bind is blind. And yet, we must first have a self before we can dissolve it, si? But, we must dissolve it.
"otherwise I'd just be floating out in space and not caring about anything, or as one of my yoga teachers likes to say, like a squirrel who's only concern is scrambling around for nuts and shelter."
I think your yoga teacher is nuts :) But, then again, so am I, so together we're just a pair of nuts. Why does everyone always go to the position with Buddhism (or nondual awareness) that emptiness is emptiness, independent of form? Dissolution of self, the "I am beyond mind, whatever its state, pure or impure. Awareness is my nature; ultimately I am beyond being and non-being" is not independent of the world we live in, it merely TRANSCENDS AND INCLUDES the world we live in so that the world we live in is free from suffering. I still need my shelter and my nuts (hopefully :) but I am no longer craving and clinging or grasping them (maybe scratching-- when I itch, I scratch). This is what Nisargadatta means when he says that meditation "will help you to find your bonds, loosen them, untie them and cast your moorings. When you are no longer attached to anything, you have done your share. The rest will be done for you."
This last piece is the most important: "The rest will be done for you." This is absolutely true. If we can just surrender and give up the need to crave and grasp to desire and fear, we will be completely out of our own way and consciousness will fill us with abundance. I know this to be true. All it takes is a committment to meditation practice and the process of cultivating self-awareness.
As always, sit, scratch and love
Om, I knew you were going to say that!
I almost took that post down because I knew that I was having a reactionary moment when I wrote it.
I haven't read as much as you have about buddhism, just a few books here and there and one retreat with Thich Nhat Hahn (which I loved!), but overall, I haven't found it as compelling or something I could practice so wholeheartedly. I get the whole non-clinging and non-attachment thing and many of the other tenets, but I guess I"m not ready to dissolve myself yet. I am, however, working on thinking before I speak or react because I know I have the tendency to be "edgy" as you say, when I feel anxious, so I'm sorry that I let that one slip out. One to grow on!
More on this later. I wish I could dissolve the financial crisis I'm having at my job.
maybe if I meditate on it, it will go away, or else maybe I will run away first.
tata.
:):):) this is a funny
:):):)
this is a funny post, i think. or, at least, it's funny for me. especially the bit about dissolving the financial crisis -- that's probably not all that funny for you, though! so maybe it's a little less funny than i thought. i started The Quantum and the Lotus again today; it's been quite a while since the last time i read it, and i lent it out to Noah for a while. but he's gone from New York for good as of today, so i snatched it back last night!!
i would love to engage in a bit more discussion about Buddhism here on the blog or independent of it. there are many people for whom Buddhist tenets and philosophy just doesn't resonate, and that's cool. i'm sure there are many, however, who may dig it a bit more if they had a good enough reason to dig into it a bit deeper. i think cam is one of those :) i could be wrong about that, of course. and i'm also not suggesting you are destined to become a Buddhist (as i told you recently, i myself am not a Buddhist) or even that you're bound to agree with the concept of no-self, etc, etc. but it's like me and Sāṃkhya: none of my views or experiences or theories align terribly well with Samkhya, but i still find it fascinating, inspiring, and even enlightening, both in the philosophy and the practice (including Yoga, much of which has Samkhya philosophy as a sort of foundation). and, of course, there is much conversation to be had between Samkhya and what i have thus far found to be most resonant system for me, Buddhism. but then again -- i am a student of philosophy. i'm all about this sort of investigation into different traditions and engaging discussion between all of them (Buddhism and Hinduism; Buddhism and Science; Hinduism and Western religions; Eastern religions and Western philosophies... one kind of Buddhism with another; one kind of Hinduism with five others!; one sort of meditative practice with another sort; etc, etc, etc, etc, etc)
so tell me if i'm coming off as a bit presumptuous or pretentious in my desire to discuss Buddhism a bit more -- such as what no-self means, and what emptiness means, and just how serious Om is when he says that we must have a self before we can dissolve it (which one finds in the more integrative Buddhist works, but certainly not all -- many Buddhists over the millennia have taken a merely world-denying stance, which i find problematic (we can discuss this, too :):):))) -- and i will drop it immediately! i say so because i've got a sense that you (and not just you, cam, but everyone here, actually) would find Buddhism (particularly the way Om and i tend to understand and apply it, of course :P ) at least quite interesting, if not more inspiring than that.
Buddhism
James, I would welcome more conversation about Buddhism. I have been reading for a while, practicing for much longer, but still very much at the beginning. I know that in the last five years - and especially in the last year, , my sense of myself within myself and in the world has greatly deepened. I feel as if I have traveled through so many layers and have still have only breathed in a fraction of what is there.
The idea of dissolving self, of emptiness, karma etc are still hard for me to put into my own words - sometimes even as a way to ask questions that might push my thinking along. All I know is that the very basic idea of being present, which means being present in oneself as a means to be present with others, gave me a branch to swing on (don't ask me why the monkey image... it just seems so free and joyful), a way to begin seeing a path that I wanted to explore. But what drove me to explore more deeply was having the opportunity to meet a teacher who not only spoke the words that resonated, but whose presence and the way that he shared his attention, was the embodiment of those ideas. I remember thinking to myself when I met him that if he could reach this place of awareness with such deep, deep, kindness, it was possible for me to do as well. He made me believe that yes, there is a Buddha in all of us. I was very moved by the idea that this was not about some blind faith but really about action. It striped away "religion," what usually surrounds and contaminates the teaching of other great spiritual thinkers and showed me the essence. It seemed to be all about the here and now. We are here in this place and are faced with all kind of suffering wherever we look. How we deal with the suffering eases the suffering not just of ourselves but of others. It provided me with a way to understand how I could be proactive in creating a better space for me to live in as well as those around me. I know this is very simplified, but peeling things back to this place, allows me then to take on more complexity.
Having said that - I would love to engage. As a starting place, if you or Om or anyone here has a passage, a book, some idea to share, let's just talk about it. Personally, I am always looking for a way to make the language of these ideas more accessible since I often find that when they are too esoteric I don't know how to step into them. It always helps me to be able to translate ideas into practical understanding. It is just the way I learn.
Emily, you say:
"It always helps me to be able to translate ideas into practical understanding. It is just the way I learn."
that seems to me a very good way to learn, and just as good a way to teach. there's something missing when a teacher believes a student has to have reached some arbitrary level of academic this-or-that in order to begin to understand a system or a theory, etc. (of course, sometimes this is academically necessary, but most of us here aren't in academia anymore, so who cares?) it seems such an unnecessary limitation to me; like when teachers and professors have assumed a rigid structure between teacher and student, with no breathing room for, you know, ME. i thought we called it a teacher-student relationship.
i sometimes have to sit for a while with the complex philosophies we read in class just to break down the language and translate it in my head. i happen to have an easy time with some of the complex theories i've learned and investigated, but even then i feel much more comfortable taking a step back and seeing if the language is convoluted and messy.
you also say:
"We are here in this place and are faced with all kind of suffering wherever we look. How we deal with the suffering eases the suffering not just of ourselves but of others. It provided me with a way to understand how I could be proactive in creating a better space for me to live in as well as those around me. I know this is very simplified, but peeling things back to this place, allows me then to take on more complexity."
personally, i'm in no rush to get all that much more complex than that. this seems pretty darn significant, useful, and fulfilling (and compassionate!!)
thank you! i'll think about Buddhism for a while and get back to you :)
JAMES, THIS BUDS FOR YOU
Yes, let's have a discussion on whatever you would like regarding Buddhism, nut-scratching or any other permutation of philosophical thought. What specifically is resonating with you in The Quantum and the Lotus this time around?
cheers
I'm glad that I've prompted an interesting discussion here on Buddhism through my nutty, rebellious complaining. I like the idea of discussing something we all might have read or have easy access to (even, perhaps, a short article that could be posted or linked to). As I have expressed before, it's hard for me to get stuff in the abstract. I also have a hard time reading theory and getting into it without discussing it with others. I've been meaning to read The Quantum and the Lotus forever. Maybe I'll finally get a copy.
Hey Em
I'm wondering how you're doing today.
If I had only met you via this forum on the blog, I imagine it would be easier for me to take care of our relationship as I recognize it here in this to and fro pulsation and communal vision gathering and giving and receiving thingy.
Having met you, and seen your beautiful energy, and witnessed your softness and kind, open strength (and humor) first hand, I feel almost like I've peered under the skirt of some mysterious mother goddess before now somewhat distant to me but close in the conversation. Peeking under that skirt, or seeing more of you, (and I swear there was nothing sneaky about it) you became more human, more you, to me. And that carries with it also more tenderness and a kind of responsibility, I feel, to the real human side of the relationship. It would be one thing to leave the blog relationship (after a mega-salute and tears of gratitude) but now it feels like we potentially have a real responsibility to one another and I want to take that potentiality nice and slow.
Nice and slow.
If I responded strongly yesterday to you it was because I felt the need to set a boundary. Because boundaries are essential to relationship and intimacy.
But it was not meant to push you away.
You are a part of my life now and I don't know (and don't need to know) exactly how or what shape that is taking. It is this shape... our sharing, reaching out to one another, seeking honesty and honest connection. And it will take whatever shape we give it together, like a dance, like a co-creation.
I just want you to know that I am here, and I love you and care about you.
Cat
Cat,
You made the boundaries clear yesterday.
Whatever you think of me, or thought of me today as opposed to yesterday or the day before it not the issue for me. If you felt that I was a kind and caring person, then you would have known that my sharing my feelings with you was not done in a malicious or uncaring way. My reaching out through email was not meant as an assault, but as a desire to share some personal feelings with you.
You were very clear and explicit about your feelings and I accept that. It doesn’t change my relationship to you on the blog – I am always open and as honest as I know how to be. That doesn’t change.
But I was on the receiving end of some very large anger, some of which, I believe had nothing to do with me. Still, it has an effect.
I appreciate your post to me, but I am not sure what it is you are asking of me or what it is that you want. We both said what we had to say. I apologized for intruding into your space and if the way I said what I said sounded to you less loving than it was meant to be. We all can define our relationships in any way that we want and in any way that works best. You were very clear about your boundaries and I am OK with this. I felt like by crossing them, which I did quite innocently, I walked into a mine field. You did not greet me with understanding or kindness. I don’t want to do that again.
still having difficulty
responding to this post, Em.
You mention reaching out to me in email.
This is something i had not mentioned in any posts (your email to me) and so what comes next in your post, which i understand is in response to my response to your email (which heretofore has been private with respect to the blog) I know and recognize as responding to our phone conversation but I don't think anyone else knows what is going on.
Which leaves me in a strange position.
[For those of you who don't know what is going on, I hadn't read any of the posts starting with OM's suggestion that we consider saying bye-bye blog, nor any of the subsequent ones, nor the one in which Om said I had "lost interest" in the blog, nor Em's response to that, which chooses at a certain point to focus on asking me why I had lost interest. I hadn't read any of these nor responded to them (obviously) when I received an email from Emily which upset me. I made a few quick email responses and then called her immediately to communicate several things. So it was in that phone conversation that Emily probably experienced being on the "receiving end of some very large anger"...]
I want to make clear one thing: I was not upset because you, Emily, expressed feelings to me nor that you wrote me an email, rather it was how you expressed what you did to me. I would only ask that you consider how or why that email might have upset me.
I would love to get beyond this but I know no other way than trying to seek understanding and I sincerely need to feel that you can understand better why was upset by what you said.
I know that I was angry when I called you and felt very clear about needing to communicate to you both my position (as it had not even been expressed at that point) about my interest or reported lack thereof in the blog and requesting that instead of assuming certain things about me (like that I had left the blog without so much as saying I was leaving) made me feel like you were, perhaps innocently, denying my subjectivity in that moment. That crossed a boundary for me that I needed to address. I addressed it but understand now that I came off too strongly. I also understand that what was most important to me to express was not relayed properly, otherwise you might have understood why I was upset.
Cat
I am cool. I think we both understand why we felt the way we did. It is what it was. I understand.
Cat
I am cool. I think we both understand why we felt the way we did. It is what it was. I understand, just as I hope you understand why I was so taken aback by your response. It felt for me, as intense as my email must have felt for you. I am comfortable to let this rest and more on.
And to James, thanks for your post. Sometimes, a little space, helps clear the mind.
lady em and the lioness at school
This sounds cool.
I do understand why my response felt the way it did.
Yup.
I've noticed (especially in light of our conversations and the missing-the-mark aspect of my response to you, but also in other occasions in which I've responded with an intense defense) how I have a tendency to reel up with intensity when I feel a certain boundary has been crossed. (No worries, I'm not going back there... just reflecting). I've noticed that I tend to react with a kind of ferocity, almost immediately, and I wish I could just breathe through it. I do sometimes do this, but i need to keep a certain vigil on it.
And here I do admit that Tony has been a great guide in this effort. When, at times in our conversations, he has made what feels to me an "assumption" (and it is only when I care and am desiring to be understood or to be heard and am wanting to come from a deeper place where I'm sensitive that i may not be understood) I react this way and he very clearly lets me know that he wont have it. (Other times I respond this way are around more obvious acts of "invasion" -- I'll tell the stories some day of my responses to young men who over-step on the train).
Like a ferocious lioness protecting her cubs, the energy doesn't feel misplaced but righteous, like I have a natural urge and responsibility to protect. But the truth is that in most cases (really, now, I can choose, so in all cases perhaps) this energy, when it sweeps me up and carries me into battle, must be contained if I want to approach relationships and life with compassion.
The other day I was telling Tony how I have a tendency to get angry when people "assume" something about me and tell me how I'm feeling. He said, "But everyone makes assumptions, we can't avoid it really, it's how we try to understand the other person." I said, "yeah, I know, the mind really cannot help but make certain assumptions, it's what the mind does," he said, "Thank you." But we agreed that there are ways of being aware that such is how the mind works so instead of assuming and declaring that something is such, we ask questions and pose ourselves the doubt. So cool.
I said that Tony's been like a guide for me in refining this practice. He never lets me "get away with it" (with responding with a strong exclamation that carries a tone of anger).
He just wont let me get away with it and while it can be frustrating.. he's so sensitive to it... he's basically letting me know (keeping me on my toes) that I cannot be understood (my underlying intention) if I speak with anger in my voice. I think in a very necessary situation we'd both agree it was necessary, but in conversation, (and I'm not saying my response isn't unwarranted) I am forced to breathe and slow down.
I wish that I had been able to do that in our conversation, but I was feeling free and open (you know how that is) and so over-stepped.
Thank you for accepting a little space with me and for always giving me your honesty.
Cat and Em breathing
Cat,
You have shared so much about your process over the last days, how it relates to our private interaction and how you are growing in your understanding of yourself all the time. Your relationship with Tony sounds beautiful and meaningful. I should be working right now, but needed to write to express my appreciation for your reaching out. I accept the hand of relationship and have a greater awareness of your sensitivity which I will try my best to be respectful of and honor.
I have been quiet, usually a reflection of some inner workings as I explore something deep that has no words yet since the experience has not settled. In the last few days I have been looking at myself and how I react when I am taken off guard by unexpected anger that comes towards me. Our interaction is actually a blip on the screen of our lives, but it resonated with meaning and lessons for me. When faced with unpredictable anger when I thought I was acting in a caring way has the potential to plug into so many old wounds of my childhood.. My experience of this – which I have so many vivid memories – is of saying something so innocently or playing with something, and someone comes along to tell me that I am bad. It is shocking and bewildering. As a child, I never questioned the anger. I just accepted, as children often do, that I was, in fact, bad.
After our misunderstanding and my initial shock, I understood that my first musings had everything to do with old baggage and had no place in understanding events in my present life. As I was driving home from work, I tossed those old bags in the river and said to myself, “ I am not a bad girl.” It was a great moment, actually. I had never actively said that out loud and in a sense I wasn’t saying that about the present, but releasing myself from the vestiges of the past. I am not the child Emily. I am myself in the moment. What I struggled with was how to give meaning to what just happened in the context of now, here, today, of who I am when I stand in clarity.. How do I peel back the layers and get to a response and a place where I am acting as the person I know myself to be and the person that I am constantly working towards becoming. My initial reaction was to pull way back, but even in doing that, it was not a place where I would stay, since it is not a place where I want to live or could be happy living. But neither, I realized, did I have to define anything for the future. This was about right now. This moment. Like you, like all of us, I just don’t want to be hurt by not being seen, by not having someone see that my intentions are( 99 percent of the time) out of desire for loving contact. So, my process has been to just sit and let my feelings settle; to let the first reactions talk themselves into oblivion since they require they have their say.. I am completely aware that feelings that tell me to pull back completely are never the ones I want listen to. I must reach a place where my vision of other is as strong as my vision of self. Our interaction was just one wave in a very large ocean that Om speaks about.. I am very happy in myself. I appreciate, too, your journey.
EM AND CAT ARE WHY I LOVE
so truly, so madly, so deeply, because their love is so true and deep; and especially because they are both like the moon, mad and howling with love. Em and Cat are why I fight for relationship, because I know they will always fight for me, even and especially when they are fighting me. Em and Cat are why I never wish, but always have faith, because hope is wishing and faith is knowing; and I know Em and Cat will reach the heart of understanding and the understanding of heart. Em and Cat are why I sit, because sitting is the only way to hold the vastness of their love, which is always too much and never enough.
so happy together
hey there, Emily. i've had these posts between you and Cat on my mind a while and i'd very much like to respond. though there was some outside communication between you two, there is plenty here for me to engage with. just let me know (and this goes for you, Cat, as well) if you feel i'm misunderstanding, or assuming, or crossing any line, or anything of the sort. and let me know on the blog so we can keep this all out here, this way everyone can follow, engage, and learn from whatever might come of all this.
as we saw, Om owned that he ought to have asked Cat if it was okay to share private communication. (and as he says: "Let's continue the discussion" :) what he wrote, as it turns out, did not align clearly enough with what Cat was feeling. even so, and especially because of the rest of Om's post, i didn't put all that much weight on his brief sentence regarding Caterina. he said she had lost interest, and i took this to mean little more than that she had other things going on and wasn't -- for the moment -- keeping up with the blog as much as she had in the past. REMEMBER: this post was written in the context of Om's question about burying the blog, and as he wrote then: "and the rest of us show up with less frequency."
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Emily, i don't quite know what you mean towards the end of this post when you say, "I felt like by crossing them, which I did quite innocently, I walked into a mine field. You did not greet me with understanding or kindness. I don’t want to do that again." particularly the final sentence: I don't want to do that again.
i've gotten a few tastes of Caterina's fire, and while she certainly can turn up the heat, it's been my experience that even then she has kept me in her sight and in her heart--- even when i've felt pushed, i've never felt pushed away.
now let me repeat: i was not present to what conversations you two had, and do not quite know what you experienced. i don't need either of you to report to me the content of those interactions. all i'm doing is expressing some bits of my own experience and (much more so) trying to engage this a bit.
i hope neither of you will take this moment to push the other away, especially because all of us are here (blog-pulse still beating) to support both of you-- to support the relationship.
i'm not saying that is what either of you said or meant; and really i have found both of you to be so open and up for a challenge, and always doing everything you can to be engaged and present to your relationships; so i'm not actually afraid :) just saying that we may be able to take this to a more friendly, more communal, and just plain nicer-feeling space-- together.
THE CLAP OF THUNDER, THE DOWNPOUR OF SUMMER
Yesterday I was having dinner with my friend Andrea at the Forest Hills Tennis Club, on the patio of the restaurant. We were the only ones there because I wanted to sit close to the summer thunderstorm. Andrea has known me long enough to tolerate my strange requests. Every time there was a roar or blast of thunder she would jump and I would make that kind of gesture children or silly adults make when they act like demons or ghosts, raising there arms and shaking their head s back and forth: wooooooooo! So much for the pretentious patrons at the Forest Hills Tennis Club who watched this strange man from inside their stuffy, air conditioned dining room.
Anyway, sitting almost in the midst of this exquisite storm of wind, rain, lightning and thunder, while eating and drinking wine I experienced a presence so deep and round. Once again, I felt that familiar intimacy with nature, one with the natural flow and rhythm of relationship. And later, I thought of how the shifts in the weather reminded me of empathy and rupture in relationship. When we are in the midst of relationship, the finer features of empathy can be observed: the timing and patience of our touch and gestures of understanding, recognition and response. And how quickly we can lose the empathic when our timing is off; or, in self-absorption, when we lose the ability to sit, wait and listen to the other, we might cause, like thunder, the epenthetic rupture of relationship. The heat from the lightning within surges and we react. The smooth stillness of interiority erupts. The relationship is pounded in a roar and fulmination of words, rattling the senses and derailing the relational bond.
In nature, things seem naturally, if not smoothly, to fall into place. It’s the basic law of return, the mathematics of chaos iterating order over time. This is why we generally feel so safe in nature, because it is ordered; and why we feel so unsafe in relationship, because it is so unpredictable. A defining feature of trauma, for example, is unpredictability. But, if we look closely, we can find in nature the teachings for relationship. It has something to do with timing and patience, and it begins with self, the stillness of mind mindfully peering, absorbing, translating like a Whitman poem:
Out of the cradle endlessly rocking,
Out of the mocking-bird’s throat, the musical shuttle,
Out of the Ninth-month midnight,
Over the sterile sands, and the fields beyond, where the child, leaving his bed, wander’d alone, bare-headed, barefoot,
Down from the shower’d halo,
Up from the mystic play of shadows, twining and twisting as if they were alive,
Out from the patches of briers and blackberries,
From the memories of the bird that chanted to me,
From your memories, sad brother—from the fitful risings and fallings I heard,
From under that yellow half-moon, late-risen, and swollen as if with tears,
From those beginning notes of sickness and love, there in the transparent mist,
From the thousand responses of my heart, never to cease,
From the myriad thence-arous’d words,
From the word stronger and more delicious than any,
From such, as now they start, the scene revisiting,
As a flock, twittering, rising, or overhead passing,
Borne hither—ere all eludes me, hurriedly,
A man—yet by these tears a little boy again,
Throwing myself on the sand, confronting the waves,
I, chanter of pains and joys, uniter of here and hereafter,
Taking all hints to use them—but swiftly leaping beyond them,
A reminiscence sing.
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This is mind reading nature and nature teaching mind the rhythm of love, the dance of relatedness seeking order in the chaos of memory, the veil of fear.
well said, om. i too was
well said, om. i too was in the storm yesterday, running around from place to place. everytime i saw lightning, i got a thrill, almost a basic instinct of sorts.
i wonder if this too was part of your experience?
take care, please, take care
so, i wrote a post earlier, but lost it. i'll try again now. i, too, spent some time last night enjoying the storm from Noah's quickly emptying apartment. he has trees outside of his window, and i watched them sway violently in the wind and rain; it was lovely. it reminded me of a poem by Thich Nhat Hanh, but i can't recall the lines -- i'll post them later.
i believe my greatest struggle with learning and practicing empathy is tied up in my issues with accommodation. i need recognition; but i tend not to get it all that much. you speak, Om, of relationship; but sometimes it stops feeling like relationship to me. if i disappear from the other's experience entirely, if i am no longer recognized, then is this really relationship? i've been accommodating for most of my life, but only rebelling against it for the last few. practicing empathy in the context of a relationship -- even one in which i do not feel recognized -- is not the same as accommodation; i can tell you this, but do i feel it? have i realized it? the struggle is, of course, practicing empathy while taking care of myself; not to deny myself in order to practice "empathy" (i put it in quotation marks here because -- is it really empathy if i am not being taken care of, as well? where is the compassion there?)
i also realize, of course, that i am holding on; that i need to let go. but what i learned recently is that i need a space in which i can let go -- a space in which i feel safe. i can't just let go anywhere; not yet. soon, perhaps, i will be able to. i feel i am close. but it is only after i have let go that i can fully realize just how safe i already was. i need a safe space to let go to learn that i am safe wherever i am. but at the moment not all spaces feel safe. in fact, the one place that feels safe for letting go right now is an in-between, a dream space, a fantasy. it is not mere dream, nor is it waking world "real" relationship. it is in between. i am not afraid of falling for it, or disappearing into it and dismissing the waking world -- i trust myself enough to know that i am not at risk of doing anything of that sort. i'm too healthy for that. so i am trying to use it, to go there, to access that space and show myself how safe i am through letting go. this will, it seems, greatly open me to the practice of empathy. perhaps i will soon understand how empathy works in the context of a relationship that used to feel like accommodation. the practice itself is a kind of taking care of myself.
JAMES TAKING CARE OF JAMES MIGHT LEAD TO TAKE CARE
“i believe my greatest struggle with learning and practicing empathy is tied up in my issues with accommodation. i need recognition; but i tend not to get it all that much…. the struggle is, of course, practicing empathy while taking care of myself; not to deny myself in order to practice "empathy" (i put it in quotation marks here because -- is it really empathy if i am not being taken care of, as well? where is the compassion there?)”
I would say “practicing” empathy IS taking care of yourself even though in the short term it doesn’t feel that way. Most of us have unconsciously accommodated from childhood on and it is the full lack of awareness that makes accommodating so unhealthy and feeling like deprivation. True empathy of course begins with oneself but if the parental relationship did not adequately foster it, the more natural evolution of empathic development will not occur. Accommodation will likely be the child’s attempt at getting her needs met but empathy will not be sufficiently developed. From what you say, James, it seems that at this point in time “practicing” empathic responses will be just that: empathy and not accommodating (though it might feel as such). In fact, because you are so aware, you will become even clearer as to what your needs feel like.
What I’m essentially saying here is that, if you decide to be in a relationship (and it is a conscious choice), then you need to be empathic. Secondly, the development of empathy is not linear; there are times when it will seem that you’re just accommodating and receiving nothing in return, or not enough. This is in fact a false assumption because you are practicing relationship and cultivating your awareness. Your faith in this truth is clear in your following statement:
“so i am trying to use it, to go there, to access that space and show myself how safe i am through letting go. this will, it seems, greatly open me to the practice of empathy. perhaps i will soon understand how empathy works in the context of a relationship that used to feel like accommodation. the practice itself is a kind of taking care of myself.”
I also believe that if you stay true to your intentions, at some point the decision to either stay in relationship or move on will be revealed to you. Awareness always brings clarity.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW YOUR FATHER?
There are no coincidences and seeing this film today was a most appropriate choice for me after my visit to Dr. Wu. I needed some Om time on this Father’s Day. And though I’m not one to celebrate holidays (or even acknowledge them half the time), the collective presence of father recognition, vestiges of growing up without my father and losing a son all played into me needing to draw out some deep emotions. The film did the trick and I strongly recommend it. I would like to share two aspects of the film, one having to do with the writing, and the other having to do with the theme. As far as character development, the writer beautifully sculpted the more complex personality of the father and, consequently, the relationship between the father and son. We begin with the most superficial of characters and, just as you are ready to dismiss the father altogether, a new dynamic unfolds drawing you closer to the father’s interiority. This development, as it revealed more complexity, increasingly transformed the film into a deep (and accurate) psychological portrayal of father/son relationships.
There is also a theme that runs through the film reminiscent of Arthur Miller’s ‘Death of a Salesman.’ The son, in deep conflict with the infantile father’s narcissistic competitiveness and domination, is fraught with shame around relationship and success (Also, for a similar theme, see Robin Williams’ brilliant performance in `Seize the Day.’). How the son works through this conflict is the focus of the film.
THE THRILL OF NICO
Whenever there is a strong natural force that borders on danger, there is an intense thrill, whether it's lightning, thunder or blizzards. I remember the summer of 1991 on The Vineyard, around August 20, when Hurricane Bob ripped up the coast. I was in Oaks Bluff at the water's edge, holding onto a rail. It was crazy but intensely exhilarating. I was reading a lot of Ezra Pound at the time and immersed in a deep romantic mind, entering into my last phase of analysis after 10 years and just beginning to more formally enter into my spiritual stage. Up until that time, nature mysticism was the mode I embodied to find meaning in reality, which was safe because my analyst was not at all spiritual. Soon we would be going head to head resulting in one of the most painful losses in my life, my teacher/mentor. But, that month on the Vineyard and that storm:
Bore sheep aboard her, and our bodies also
Heavy with weeping, and winds from sternward
Bore us onward with bellying canvas,
Crice's this craft, the trim-coifed goddess.
Then sat we amidships, wind jamming the tiller,
Thus with stretched sail, we went over sea till day's end.
Sun to his slumber, shadows o'er all the ocean,
Came we then to the bounds of deepest water,
To the Kimmerian lands, and peopled cities
Covered with close-webbed mist, unpierced ever
With glitter of sun-rays
Nor with stars stretched, nor looking back from heaven
Swartest night stretched over wreteched men there.
The ocean flowing backward, came we then to the place
Aforesaid by Circe.
Here did they rites, Perimedes and Eurylochus,
And drawing sword from my hip
I dug the ell-square pitkin;
Poured we libations unto each the dead,
First mead and then sweet wine, water mixed with white flour
Then prayed I many a prayer to the sickly death's-heads;
As set in Ithaca, sterile bulls of the best
For sacrifice, heaping the pyre with goods,
A sheep to Tiresias only, black and a bell-sheep.
Dark blood flowed in the fosse,
Souls out of Erebus, cadaverous dead, of brides
Of youths and of the old who had borne much;
Souls stained with recent tears, girls tender,
Men many, mauled with bronze lance heads,
Battle spoil, bearing yet dreory arms,
These many crowded about me; with shouting,
Pallor upon me, cried to my men for more beasts;
Slaughtered the herds, sheep slain of bronze;
Poured ointment, cried to the gods,
To Pluto the strong, and praised Proserpine;
Unsheathed the narrow sword,
I sat to keep off the impetuous impotent dead,
Till I should hear Tiresias.
But first Elpenor came, our friend Elpenor,
Unburied, cast on the wide earth,
Limbs that we left in the house of Circe,
Unwept, unwrapped in the sepulchre, since toils urged other.
Pitiful spirit. And I cried in hurried speech:
"Elpenor, how art thou come to this dark coast?
"Cam'st thou afoot, outstripping seamen?"
And he in heavy speech:
"Ill fate and abundant wine. I slept in Crice's ingle.
"Going down the long ladder unguarded,
"I fell against the buttress,
"Shattered the nape-nerve, the soul sought Avernus.
"But thou, O King, I bid remember me, unwept, unburied,
"Heap up mine arms, be tomb by sea-bord, and inscribed:
"A man of no fortune, and with a name to come.
"And set my oar up, that I swung mid fellows."
And Anticlea came, whom I beat off, and then Tiresias Theban,
Holding his golden wand, knew me, and spoke first:
"A second time? why? man of ill star,
"Facing the sunless dead and this joyless region?
"Stand from the fosse, leave me my bloody bever
"For soothsay."
And I stepped back,
And he strong with the blood, said then: "Odysseus
"Shalt return through spiteful Neptune, over dark seas,
"Lose all companions." Then Anticlea came.
Lie quiet Divus. I mean, that is Andreas Divus,
In officina Wecheli, 1538, out of Homer.
And he sailed, by Sirens and thence outwards and away
And unto Crice.
Venerandam,
In the Cretan's phrase, with the golden crown, Aphrodite,
Cypri munimenta sortita est, mirthful, oricalchi, with golden
Girdle and breat bands, thou with dark eyelids
Bearing the golden bough of Argicidia. So that:
-- Pound, Canto I
Today
I went to Baltimore today. My parents and Arn, Anya and I went out for an early dinner to a restaurant suggested by my mother, not far from where they live. The restaurant is a deli that has been in the same location for longer than I can remember. It was the hangout for high school kids when I was a teenager and I spent many Friday nights on the parking lot with hundred of others after crowding into the booths inside to eat bagels with cream cheese or turkey club sandwiches. It is one of the places where I hung out or flirted with the first love of my life, the person who I mentioned in earlier posts who had later committed suicide. The restaurant is exactly the same – updated, but only mildly. The booths are still in the same place and they still serve from the same menu with very few changes. I sat there and tried to imagine myself there so many years ago. There was nothing that remotely fed my heart or my sentiments. I simply thought, wow, I used hang out here at a time of my life when I was so unhappy. I kind of nodded to the place and the ghosts of people I remembered and to my own shadow and said, “I vaguely remember you.” It felt neither good nor bad. It just was. And I liked that.
Thank you for sharing this,
Thank you for sharing this, Em. I often feel the same way when I go back to Flushing where I grew up. I loved the place but at the same time I was so depressed I wasn't able to create greater meaning for it. It must have been strange looking around to a place that had barely changed while you have come such a long distance and have progressed so far? you could have been the space traveler who steps into the wormhole and ends up in her past.
Om is thrilled with his Cantos
beautiful prose, Om. i am wondering why you chose this particular prose to share with us? does the thrill of nature remind you of a basic, thrilling ritual? something basic that pulls from within?
Yesterday again a thunder storm raced through the city in the early evening twilight. I stepped outside and saw the raw, angry clouds bumping from horizon to horizon, crowding out the sun. And the wind whipped the trees and tossed the trash cans from one end of the street to the other. It was beautiful. Somehow in my mind, I imagine that is how it would have been if I had been a hunter gatherer thousands of years ago at the dawn of human civilization. In part, I think we are still programmed to instinctually have a connection to the wild, something that calls to our early days when we sleep under the stars, raced on the plains with wild animals, and watched the raging storms fly by in between rocks. But maybe it is just a romantic notion I have created to give more meaning. But I'll never know, so I prefer to think of it as the former.
Om, a Canto for my
Om, a Canto for my friend. I spent some time with my friend from high school last saturday. We went to see a movie (the happening which i liked though most other people didnt), had dinner, and talked. I always like spending time with him because he is pleasant to be with, he is laid back, non-judgmental, and funny. And on the good days when he decides to come out of his shell, he can be very perceptive and funny. A side of himself he doesn't share with enough people because he does not have enough trust yet. However, all through the afternoon and early evening, a wicked rain storm passed through the city, dumping several inches of water, flooding streets and highways. So when my friend had to drive back home, I said, don't take the Grand Central because it always floods and it will be a mess. Go local, I said. He agreed with me several times and we even mapped out which local route would be best.
Next day when I speak with him he tells me he took the highway and got stuck for 2 hours. At the moment I felt two different things: first I was a little annoyed that he didn't take my advice and go local. Also I was annoyed because he had said to me he was going local and then just did the opposite. Secondly, I was feeling a little amused by it, as I imagined him stuck in the highway for two hours - serves him right for not listening to me. But really, I was trying to look at it in a positive way. You see, my friend is just beginning to take responsibility for his decisions. Most of his life he has been told what to do, so I thought maybe this was his way of taking control and doing what he wanted to do? I thought maybe he was rebelling against any suggestion of being dictated to. But also, I realized he was not only rebelling but he was also learning. By making his own choice, and rejecting my suggestion that he go local, he was staking his independence. It cost him 2 hours stuck in the Grand Central, but I think he was learning in the process.
I think, more importantly for him, he will realize that at the moment we were having the discussion of which way he should go home, he should have spoken out and said, "you know, i don't like you telling what to do and how to go home." then we could we had a discussion about how he was feeling, understood that what he really wanted was to be independent, and then he could have felt comfortable going home the local route and avoided the 2 hour jam on the parkway.
Nico and the giant peach
that's so fantastic. i watched "James and the Giant Peach" again yesterday (i always watch it when it's on TV. i love that movie.) and towards the end the giant Rhino (which emerges from/as the clouds, a big thunderstorm!) comes to attack James and his new friends. Mr. Worm reminds James of what he had said earlier, what his parents taught him, which is to "look at it another way." so he turned to the Rhino and said, "You're not even a real rhino! You're just a lot of smoke and noise!" and i found this so touching and significant. it almost felt like i was seeing for the first time as an adult, a lesson i had begun to learn as a child (from the film, in fact!) and then here's this post of yours, Nico; you so beautifully "look at it another way." and even though this is about your experience with your friend, and not about me, i am still feeling grateful -- i needed a similar sort of rebellion, to learn what it is to make decisions. it's taken some time to learn that it is even safe to hear someone else tell you to do something and then make the decision to do that. like you said, if he was a bit clearer about his needs he would have been able to comfortably take the more well-planned route. and perhaps most cool in this post is that you don't deny or dismiss your own annoyance with his actions. i went to bed late and slept all morning, and i've woken up to quite a treat.
Captain James
thanks for the response to my post. this is an aspect of your character i wasn't aware of; if you have written about please forgive me as i missed it. even now my friend has not responded to this post. i am wondering how he feels about it? i will let him sit in it for a little longer and then i will go search him out.
as for you, james, was it something you were able to recognize once it was pointed out, or did you still need to think about it and wait for the feeling to reach out and connect to the thought?
ps i will dust off my quantum and lotus copy and see what i can dig up. for me it was a very dense read, and i stopped 2/3 in when i moved apartments in january. this gives me the execuse to finish it and discuss it here.
deciding to come home alone
Re: the quantum and the lotus -- sweet! i can certainly understand it feeling dense. i'm reading now about the big bang and the planck wall and such. it excites the hell outta me. my mind starts to explore all these bizarre theories and places and times and such.
about my rebellion... for me it was a very stubborn and unconscious thing for a while, just to make decisions in an effort to oppose those around me. really it was only when i began to make decisions that reflected what i was feeling and needing that i noticed it. i began to make decisions on my own for myself, rather than to make something like an anti-decision, to just turn away and voice my opposition. so when i made the decision to go to iceland on my own and to cut everyone off while there, it was much more about taking my own path, just finding something, some decision to make, by which i could begin to forge my own voice. the way that i learned quite what i was doing was by failing myself (and by making another decision, which, it turns out, was the decision to be in relationship, as opposed to isolating myself).
i went to iceland and had a lovely three days -- it was my first time there -- in Reykjavík. i had no real plans. it was summertime and summertime in iceland is a wonderful thing. so i figured i'd hop a bus to another part of the island; i checked out of my guesthouse, walked over to the long-service bus station, and waited a little while. then some more time passed, then some more... and finally i checked the schedule once more -- oops! i was one hour off. i thought the buses left at 9, but they left at 8!! there wasn't a single long-range bus leaving again all day long. suddenly my laid back few weeks in iceland felt like more massive a burden than the enormous bag i was carrying on my back (i've since learned that not all that much stuff is necessary). it was terrifying and even humiliating. i stumbled to the national airport to see if there happened to be any free seats available for that day -- to Akureyri, or another city on the island. on the way there i felt a rush of panic, i felt the isolation i had imposed upon myself. i made it to the airport and a gorgeous blue-eyed icelandic woman sternly shook her head at my inquiry. then she looked up and apologized -- it was this huge shift in her character, from one place to another. suddenly so much softer and present. i thanked her and shuffled out the door until i reached a big flat rock, plopped down upon it, and wept. i uttered, nearly to my own surprise, "I can't do this on my own anymore." i had finally begun to let go -- and, paradoxically, i had finally begun to forge my own voice, to become the self that i may someday dissolve. i walked back to the bus station in a sort of daze, hopped a bus to the international airport, changed my ticket to that day, and flew home. this was just a few weeks after i had begun to record my album (itself a series of decisions of this sort). what i wrote in my previous post to you wasn't immediately clear to me, but the role of decision-making and the role of rebellion became much bigger focuses, and i have grown to understand their roles in my life much better. and most significantly, i have since found relationship to be of the utmost importance, never for a moment forgetting the equally utmost importance of independence (and interdependence!!!!).
James -
I can't really concentrate right now so am just glancing at the posts on the blog with the intention of returning in a day or so. But just wanted to says how much I appreciate your voice. You were gone for a little while and it made me even more aware of how much I enjoy seeing you here.
I have some work to catch up on. Then on Friday will be away for the weekend, meeting up with Noah and Ms. M in West Virginia. Hope to touch base before then, but if not, then on Monday. I'll have much reading to catch up with.
James, rebel with a clue
thanks for sharing your process. even as i read it, i thought of all the times i had made decisions just to oppose my parents but not really knowing why. i can only imagine how radical it must have been to be in another part of the world and have to come to terms with such a realization. even now, my friend barely responds to my attempts to get him to communicate more and be part of the relationship. He has yet to crack and begin forging his deeper self based on his needs and feelings.
i too am very independent in a way that shuts out relationship at times. i try to keep mindful of it, but too easily fall back to what i know and is comfortable. i find it is a daily exercise of mindfulness.
and emiy is right, it is good to have your words on the blog again. welcome back.
I WOKE UP THIS MORNING WITH THIS POEM: I MUST BE IN LOVE
Little Sleep's-Head Sprouting Hair in the Moonlight
1
You scream, waking from a nightmare.
When I sleepwalk
into your room, and pick you up,
and hold you up in the moonlight, you cling to me
hard,
as if clinging could save us. I think
you think
I will never die, I think I exude
to you the permanence of smoke or stars,
even as
my broken arms heal themselves around you.
2
I have heard you tell
the sun, don't go down, I have stood by
as you told the flower, don't grow old,
don't die. Little Maud,
I would blow the flame out of your silver cup,
I would suck the rot from your fingernail,
I would brush your sprouting hair of the dying light,
I would scrape the rust off your ivory bones,
I would help death escape through the little ribs of your body,
I would alchemize the ashes of your cradle back into wood,
I would let nothing of you go, ever,
until washerwomen
feel the clothes fall asleep in their hands,
and hens scratch their spell across hatchet blades,
and rats walk away from the cultures of the plague,
and iron twists weapons toward the true north,
and grease refuses to slide in the machinery of progress,
and men feel as free on earth as fleas on the bodies of men,
and lovers no longer whisper to the presence beside them in the
dark, O corpse-to-be ...
And yet perhaps this is the reason you cry,
this the nightmare you wake screaming from:
being forever
in the pre-trembling of a house that falls.
3
In a restaurant once, everyone
quietly eating, you clambered up
on my lap: to all
the mouthfuls rising toward
all the mouths, at the top of your voice
you cried
your one word, caca! caca! caca!
and each spoonful
stopped, a moment, in midair, in its withering
steam.
Yes,
you cling because
I, like you, only sooner
than you, will go down
the path of vanished alphabets,
the roadlessness
to the other side of the darkness,
your arms
like the shoes left behind,
like the adjectives in the halting speech
of old men,
which once could call up the lost nouns.
4
And you yourself,
some impossible Tuesday
in the year Two Thousand and Nine, will walk out
among the black stones
of the field, in the rain,
and the stones saying
over their one word, ci-gît, ci-gît, ci-gît,
and the raindrops
hitting you on the fontanel
over and over, and you standing there
unable to let them in.
5
If one day it happens
you find yourself with someone you love
in a café at one end
of the Pont Mirabeau, at the zinc bar
where white wine stands in upward opening glasses,
and if you commit then, as we did, the error
of thinking,
one day all this will only be memory,
learn,
as you stand
at this end of the bridge which arcs,
from love, you think, into enduring love,
learn to reach deeper
into the sorrows
to come – to touch
the almost imaginary bones
under the face, to hear under the laughter
the wind crying across the black stones. Kiss
the mouth
which tells you, here,
here is the world. This mouth. This laughter. These temple bones.
The still undanced cadence of vanishing.
6
In the light the moon
sends back, I can see in your eyes
the hand that waved once
in my father's eyes, a tiny kite
wobbling far up in the twilight of his last look:
and the angel
of all mortal things lets go the string.
7
Back you go, into your crib.
The last blackbird lights up his gold wings: farewell.
Your eyes close inside your head,
in sleep. Already
in your dreams the hours begin to sing.
Little sleep's-head sprouting hair in the moonlight,
when I come back
we will go out together,
we will walk out together among
the ten thousand things,
each scratched too late with such knowledge, the wages
of dying is love.
from The Book of Nightmares by Galway Kinnell
what beauty, om. must be
what beauty, om. must be some sleep in love.
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