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I. distraction
my stomach grumbles
and i see her face
especially her mute-blue eyes,
holding themselves behind
dark pupils, and me.
what am i, holding her
little hand, as i slip
from hunger to hunger
further distraction
and isn’t it all?
what else matters if
i am unable to speak that blue
or at least
to adore it?
what else is on my mind?
distance
especially her thin lips
closest contact
how does one kiss those lips?
even to approach them is to overpower—
and yet the hunger.
my organs are failing
along with my words
even my eyes are failing me,
how long it took for me
to notice even her eyes
just to notice their patient blue
are they withholding
or is there nothing more to say?
or are my eyes failing me?
what of this image
is of her?
yes, my stomach grumbles
and as i turn my attention back
out from that place
i glimpse her
especially my way of looking at her
without looking,
my way of thinking about her lips
instead of thirsting after them
but, oh, how does one thirst
for such lips—
what does that desire taste like?
or am i doing something
to myself,
my large intestine is ill
my liver is stressed
this jaundice
is the parasite
really
any other than
that abuse i tell myself will come
from her? are my organs failing
or am i my failing parents,
she my tool, my distraction
from just how disconnected
i am from her
toward-blue eyes, and me?
II. labial
something of lips
at least i can hear their sounds: p-, w-, m-
at least, i know, there is something i can trust
and i have no need to inquire anxiously
it is enough to observe
the way i see her eyes.
but more,
how do i feel her skin
though i have yet to touch even her hands?
it can be difficult to observe.
what is it i lose
when i lose myself
holding her face in my hands –
just to grace her cheeks, has there
ever been a face of such sensitive consistency?
how does her glance remain so open
all the while sharing so little…
her skin is not inviting, though it is welcoming,
have you seen the way her eyelashes flutter?
and when they part once more
once more her predawn-blue eyes
hold themselves almost back.
i do not believe it.
even her lips tease and deceive me,
i know, there is something i can trust.
what else is there?
and she is sweet, i know,
without pathetic self-destruction,
and has no need of my old habits though,
perhaps, of my new,
and she is out of reach,
and i perhaps will not let her eyes look into mine,
or will not let my eyes look into her looking into mine,
or perhaps i see something
fueling this hunger
something those soft blue eyes neither hide nor reveal,
and yet,
see so much more clearly
a past that has nearly destroyed me
remain.
III. cerebral
there are meandering thoughts and arguments
but, on the other hand, when i think
just a little
of her tongue
my lips, my hips, and my tongue
wriggle
expecting her to taste me
and lull my mind
back into my body
and really, all i was thinking
was what her tongue must do
for her to speak in so many languages.
and i wonder why i haven’t asked yet
for a recitation of Neruda in Spanish,
maybe one with a lot of r’s.
IV. guttural
as my eyes blink open
and my throat grumbles
i see her face
not sleeping well
i wonder
did i dream her so many times
or think of her each time i woke up?
yet this week i have seen her eyes:
i sleep fine,
it’s getting to bed that gives me trouble
James
I have read and sat with your poem several times. I always feel at a loss, since I am envious of the way you and Noah and Om, can read and take in words line for line. I must read and listen as if it is simply one movement, one sound, that takes me on a ride. This ride was sad - perhaps lonely is the better word. I do not know what is the dream and what is real. There was little space between the two and so I concluded, it does not matter. What is felt is real. The experience of the poem is surprisingly gentle, even the moving closer, pulling back, the questioning, the wondering, the not knowing. There is, for me, such sweetness in the yearning and questioning - but this time the questioning is, yes, gentler than I remember other questioning. The poem is not about her - I don't know if she exists in wakefulness or just sleep, but about you, seeing yourself thinking, seeing yourself moving closer and further away. I see a mind that is still questioning everything, but not harshly, just asking and looking - then waking up. There is an ease in what is.
SOME REAL THOUGHTS ABOUT EMILY
“I do not regret how my life has taken shape or spend any time wishing for other things, but I do acknowledge that I would have made other decisions, tried other things, if I had not been paralyzed by the past. But even thinking this is of no value now. I am who I am because of everything that has come before. And I am happy to be here….At some point it did not matter where my fears and insecurities came from. I was the owner of them.”
In Tibetan Buddhism, regret is not tantamount to guilt. Regret is the deepening of one’s understanding of wisdom and its counterpart ignorance, defined as the lack of understanding of the ultimate nature of reality. Regret in Buddhism might look like this: but I do acknowledge that I would have made other decisions, tried other things, if I had not been paralyzed by the past. This is a wisdom statement because it focuses on learning and understanding, not judgment or guilt. It is a psychological statement, not a moralistic one. That acknowledgement is a recognition, a re-cognizing of the way Emily thinks.
And there is a recognition of causality: I am who I am because of everything that has come before. Implicit in this statement is emptiness and dependent origination, the causal structuring of reality based on the myriad causes and conditions that create the appearance of who we seem to be and the karmic formations and resonance of that appearance. And what makes it psychological in its ontology is its focus on development, an interior spiral, if you will, of thinking and the concomitant worldview that emerges from that development.
Now, as Emily intuitively knows, wisdom is never separated from compassion, and forgiveness one of the greatest signifiers of grace that is bestowed on mind.
“Forgiveness for me is not about the other person. It has always been about forgiving myself. That came first. That didn’t mean that I agree, like, or even want to be with someone who I believe caused me harm. Forgiving releases me from the tangle of my anger. Forgiveness is about me – it is about my healing. I forgave for myself. I forgave because I wanted to be free. I forgave because I wanted to be able to have compassion for everyone. But it started with me. I needed to look in the mirror and say I forgive myself.”
Again, compassion never separates self from other because self and other represent a fusion of one inextricable webbed consciousness of manifestation infinitely arising, abiding and ceasing in change.
And out of that seeking and bringing together her wisdom and compassion, Emily unwittingly and humbly finds herself in the role of teacher:
“I usually ask these children to do one thing. I ask them to ask themselves what kind of person they want to be. When they answer that, they will choose how to act. I tell them that they are not required to love their parents. At this point, it is about who they are or wish to be and how they want to act in the world. Some choose the anger. Others take a step toward healing. I honestly make no judgments. In the beginning I did, but have grown beyond that. What I do is witness the sadness and futility of people in mid-life and beyond still struggling with the same issues, still unhappy, who think, that when their parent dies they will be free. In truth, there will only be a new battle; for their anger remains and still needs a place to go.”
These are some real thoughts about Emily.
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IT IS DISTRACTION, BUT NOT EXACTLY
I
I recall in one of my poems, written very early in my writing explorations and experiments, “Nothing draws me to fate more/than what drives me mad.” What I meant by this feels more true today than it did 30 years ago: that our emotional afflictions circumscribe and calcify what ordinarily is the freedom to create reality.
But, even in that circumscribed space, the desire to know shines through the cracks of our consciousness and illumines the onerous thought products of our past. Rilke and Wallace Stevens, two masters of poetic language -- albeit in ostensibly polar modes of linguistic expression -- cultivated the desire to know, but as the keenest observers of the poet’s contact with direct experience and language. Does this superior skill of observation alleviate suffering? Not necessarily, but its expression gives a glimpse into mind’s vast landscape from which the freedom from suffering qua the freedom of imagination can be realized. Poetic language is not introspection, defined as the immersion into self experience with the objective of integrating feeling states and thought. But, it is a portal into the introspective mode, and its practice and presence as inspiration, breathes into the heart and mind the deepest desires to feel one’s sharing and share one’s feeling. This is what I consistently experience when taking on the poems of James and, indeed, Noah.
distraction, labial, cerebral, guttural. Though not appearing as such, these titles represent categories of experience. But, the categories are as much about time as of the feeling states, seeking, and content they describe within their spaces. To number is a way to order space in time, as if something is being developed in mind as a way to order reality, to give meaning to one’s experience. For James, if one has been following his poems, they seek meaning in his relationship with women, and indeed, his understanding of himself in relation to women as objects and subjects of desire. Desire here is meant as both a driving life force and erotization.
But, in this categorical space, we receive an added bonus. We get to explore with James the aspect of experience we might call the philosophical or, more specifically, the phenomenological. James likes to parse phenomena, or experience. He likes to pull things apart to see how they work, like a clock or radio, a sentence or interpretation. This is the analytic of experience, the attempt to understand in the particular, the whole. However, in the hands of the poem’s narrator, there might be an obsessiveness to this parsing that simply obstructs his seeing the forest from the trees. Thus, the overarching psychological and underlying philosophical question of this poem speaks to the need for integration as the sine qua non of understanding: To what degree do the particulars serve the universal, especially in the context of love and relationship?
my stomach grumbles
and i see her face
The first question we may want to ask is the meaning of distraction in the context of this poem. In the dictionary, there are at least three definitions all of which could be applied here: “mental turmoil;” “an obstacle to attention;” and “beguilement: an entertainment that provokes pleased interest and distracts you from worries and vexations.” The first of these definitions seems to be the consequence of the second definition. The third definition is also quite interesting because it is imbued with the titillating aspect of a masochist investment in the very distraction one is attempting to resolve. And given this poem’s overt erotic (and romantic) elements, the endless craving (“hunger”) of sexual and romantic union, there is no wonder that the great emotional (and physical) discomfort the poem’s narrator experiences conveys something in the future worth suffering for.
what else matters if
i am unable to speak that blue
or at least
to adore it?
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what does that desire taste like?
II
My favorite section of the poem is `labial.’ Who doesn’t love lips and all the fire, metaphorical power and bliss they represent. The onamotapeiac quality of this section, like the labia, for example, ground feelings in the body, so that “at least, i know, there is something i can trust.” When we are in the body, we can feel and therefore trust the body. But, what happens when we strive to understand the more complex emotions, such as, love and compassion, and even shame? They, indeed are harder to trust because they are “difficult to observe.”
We can say so many things about labial, but perhaps the most important is the narrator’s effort to penetrate that which the lips and vagina represent: the mystery of intimacy, those dark spaces within that, if their meanings are not drawn forth, what is within will destroy us (“what is it i lose/when i lose myself”); but if we draw forth what is within, what is within will save us. In this way, the labial both conceals and reveals the hidden meanings of intimacy, of connection, what this beautiful poetic meditation is ultimately seeking.
THE EPHEMERA, EFFLUVIA AND ERRATA OF `dISTRACTION'
I guess I have my own parsing peevish obsessions, too. No doubt, for me, deconstruction in the form of critical analysis is the dismantling of not only reality as we order it, but the ordering itself as a process of reifying phenomena. What I mean is that the content (reifications) of our world – what we see – occurs through a process of ordering (reifying) and, as such, necessarily distorts what is, as it is as perception and conception. The reason this is supremely significant is that how we construct (order) reality is what causes suffering. And to bring James’ poetic meditation into focus here, the afflictive outcome of our constructions is: distraction. Whether James intentionally meant it or not, distraction, the loss of attentional focus, is a primary cause of loss of awareness (ignorance) and the concomitant suffering we experience moment to moment in the forms of identification, craving and grasping. If we do not see an object as it is, we unwittingly identify with it, whether that object is material or mental (imagistic). By identifying with it, we hold it up in our consciousness as “real,” as having independent and permanent existence (what is called reification, solidity), and consequently crave and grasp after its continued existence (or the opposite, if it instills fear or repulsion, its disappearance).
And so, again, I ask, what is `distraction’ about? Well, it’s not really about anything, that is, any thing; it’s about relationship, once again. It’s about negative states of mind and afflictive emotions, such as, isolation and shame, confusion and conflict, distance as absence and presence as intimacy; the deep body as the body of emotional life and the body as the vessel of love and death. And as I said, it’s about time and space as perspectives from which to either isolate or hopefully integrate mental states, levels of awareness and language and experience. On the surface structure, the poem is about a man trying to connect with a woman and with himself vis-à-vis the faculty of cognition, as an aesthetically driven search for beauty and love or, more accurately beauty in love.
To explore some of these points, I will create a couple of my own categories of meaning, play spaces from which to order my thoughts and meditations on these meditations with the hope of giving the poem some of what it wishes and hopes for: connection.
CONVERBIAL
`Distraction’ seems to be a fetishtistic collectanea of body parts, each of which carries a separate hallucinogenic, trancelike power of its own: her mute-blue eyes,/holding themselves behind/dark pupils; her/little hand; her thin lips; her skin; cheeks, face, eyelashes; and tongue. And like a Rodin sculpture, which only Rilke can give language to, the parts seem to have a life of their own, and a secret language that begs for decoding so that a complete existence can emerge through it. And through these parts we find a seething panoply of sensorium seeking motion as if to animate desire. Let’s take a look at some of the verbs and verb forms the poem uses in its and attempt to create connection: grumbling, seeing, holding, slipping, speaking, kissing, approaching, overpowering, failing, noticing, withholding, glimpsing, looking, thinking, thirsting, desiring, tasting, doing. These movements free the meaning captive in the body, as the philosopher, Merleau-Ponty would see it, and the language of the body lets itself be taken apart and put together again by the desire of thought. That the poem itself is a metaphoric or nameable body itself, its parts of which bring to life the need to experience what the body only gestures to.
But, here is my point. The poem’s obsessive inspection of parts necessarily misses the whole of the experience, the intuitive thrust of intimacy, and it knows it. It is intended that way to bring the ultimate futility of reification into sharp relief. It almost agonizingly unlayers the body, holding each part up to the light as if from an altar of worship, symbolically gesturing to a [Mother] God never to be felt but through Its absence. And there is a painful discomfort in the realization that we really don’t know what we will experience. And we desperately attempt to order the parts of experience that, if we just let go of the control, would actually just appear. For it occurs outside the range of categories and can never be reduced to measurement or even physical observation because, as soon as it comes into view, it is not what it was. Like light or sound waves, it is beyond our senses, though we know it exists.
THE PRAXIS OF QUESTIONING
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. And the word streamed forth out of the body in the flow of blood. And in the flow was meaning. And the meaning was light. And in the light flowed forth the question. And the question was mind. And mind asked the meaning as the body flowed forth in the stream of blood: Why is there nothing rather than something?
Another rhetorical treat James like to use in his poems is the question. I don’t think there is anything more beautiful to me than a question. The question is the very height of self seeking realization. It is always pointing to the next level of awareness. It is in fact the linguistic equivalent to evolution itself. If I could choose a profession, I think I would choose one that requires questioning as it primary vehicle. But, I’m not sure that vocation exists.
So, why does James use the question as poetic expression? It seems to be for this very reason: as a way to open mind to its ultimate awareness through the very negations the questions unveil.
as i slip
from hunger to hunger
further distraction
and isn’t it all?
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what else matters if
i am unable to speak that blue
or at least
to adore it?
--------------
what else is on my mind?
--------------------
how does one kiss those lips?
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are they withholding
or is there nothing more to say?
or are my eyes failing me?
are my organs failing
or am i my failing parents,
she my tool, my distraction
from just how disconnected
i am from her
toward-blue eyes, and me?
As I reflect on this poem (and perhaps all of his poems I’ve read), I become occupied with a line from one of my poems, `The King of Dots:’ “i realized that it was not the dots themselves, but the depth of the subject connecting them, that most defined truth.” I could have said, "i realized that it was not the poems or phrases themselves, but the depth of the subject reflecting on them, that most defined truth.” This truth is about spiritual praxis, what this poem and its questioning, both as methodologies, implicitly and ultimately point to, at least for me.
Spiritual praxis as I define it here is a complex self-critical activity by which one, through deep introspective immersion, discursive reflection, and action, becomes a critically conscious human being whose level of self-organization is trans-rational; that is, superordinate to rational thought in that she relies on both reason and the contemplative transparency of faith.
Thus, praxis is a process by which higher-order thinking transforms lived experience into a unifying structure of spiritual realization. In this way, philosophical, or abstract concepts are connected with lived reality.
As I say, praxis is an activity, a methodology from which higher levels of awareness will be realized. Thus, the triple critique of deep introspective immersion, discursive reflection, and action reflect the pathways along which meaning is found, constructed and deployed as it evolves into realization.
Introspective immersion is the psychoanalytic process of spiritual praxis. As I once said, “by putting a psychoanalytic face on a philosophy of reflection, the hazard is prevented, of which [is the]… “suppression of the time-tied encounter with the Other.” Discursive reflection is the philosophical act of subration, of which is beautifully exemplified in Advaita Vedanta. Overall, praxis cannot take place without a relationship (i.e., teacher) because, as psychological/social beings, we can only learn “through” an Other.
Transparency of faith refers to an absolute knowing or Awareness that is superordinate to rational thought because it is beyond that which can be known. It is Rigpa, Realization, Being, Brahman, etc. There is no knower, says this transparency. It is a faith that cannot know because knowing is irrelevant; a faith that is beyond subration because subration is part of discursive reflection, and there is no longer reflection until mental activity co-arises. I agree that listening and receptivity are critical components of spiritual praxis the way I envision it. I would include these in the category of introspective immersion because you can’t introspect, look into, without the “receptor” and “receptiveness” of seeking.
LABIAL
In the second section of the poem, entitled `labial,’ the narrator, after finding some relief in the knowability of the senses (“it is enough to observe”), that reified part of consciousness that leaves very little to mystery, asks, in an invocatively Rilkean manner, a series of questions about that other aspect of consciousness, which emerges from the body, namely, mind:
how do i feel her skin
though i have yet to touch even her hands?
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what is it i lose
when i lose myself
holding her face in my hands –
just to grace her cheeks, has there
ever been a face of such sensitive consistency?
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how does her glance remain so open
all the while sharing so little…
her skin is not inviting, though it is welcoming,
have you seen the way her eyelashes flutter?
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The questioning itself, as we have noted, is how mind seeks meaning, but as a vaster space than body, and intangible, and “it can be difficult to observe,” which implies a greater uncertainty of knowing. Because we cannot look into each other’s mind (and often not even our own), there is something more difficult to trust and so a need “to inquire anxiously.”
And so, given the terror of the unknowability of the Other, I begin my pilgrimage through the body, part by part. There is something in the body parts that seem to symbolize a golden chain of fetishistic desire, the parts themselves of which represent locks to be opened as if in some oracular way as to reveal a metynomic cynosure of intimacy. Underlying this revelation however, is a bedrock of erotic submission waiting penetration. The receptacle of that penetration: mind. The penetrator: the imagination. And what will I, the narrator, find when imagination finally penetrates mind’s desire to know?
I see your body as the ultimate fiction, and in its being fiction as distinguishable from both reality and from history. That is, I see its distance from these models and thus this distance is the very condition by which it can be true. I see your body as God’s sign, as analogy to the structure of evolution and history; and history too is God’s work. I see your body as imitating the best possible model, the truest existence known to me. And thus, by the principle of analogy affirmed, could not be truer.
I see your body as fiction though your body never declares that it is fiction. You see, the fiction of your body is that it is not fiction. And your body guards this truth exquisitely behind the veil of desire and reification. You do not present your body as a vision or dream, nor anything else for that matter; you just open your lips or legs like a sea parting. Your body is, and I, who have tasted its flesh, in my flesh now have returned; and set down the record like early hunters in the caves of Les Trois-Freres in Ariege, the red of your blood like the red ochre of the earth, forming the figures on the dimly lit cavernous wall of my mind. I am language emerging in my first religion, my drawings my first ritual in the flail of survival, the entoptic image of your body etched in my eyes as if trying to release forms imprisoned in a rock.
And you, the beholder of this body, for sure, are the Muse of inspiration invoked, inspiration which comes from you, and from above beyond and within, from the deepest layers of Consciousness, and in my very need of inspiration. And it is this inspiration that allows me to record the fact. And, as fiction, I protect your body from any undermining awareness of illusion, for to acknowledge it as fiction, your body will no longer be my poem or prayer, it would merely merge with the existence lying around it, and I would lose what is most precious to me: a form which detaches itself from ambient existence by mirroring it, by staging before the mind-in-form-objectified its relation to that existence.
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James
James these three statements in this poem stand out to me.
what is it i lose
when i lose myself
holding her face in my hands –
even her lips tease and deceive me,
i know, there is something i can trust.
see so much more clearly
a past that has nearly destroyed me
remain.
I wonder if when you play between reality and dreams (did i dream her so many times, or think of her each time i woke up?) what are you afraid to lose?
Megan, and all
hey -- it's a fairly busy time for me at the moment, so i'm sorry i've not been more present on the blog lately. i'll try and get here more consistently.
Megan, i'm not quite sure what you mean by this question. can you tease it out a little bit more for me? in the meantime, i think perhaps the distinction between reality and dreams, or even reality and irreality, is insufficient. i like the way the Advaitins go about it, sublating (subrating) lower levels of reality upon the experience of higher levels of reality. (this system does indeed include unreality, by the way.) ... to speak to sort of the inverse of part of your question: what there is to lose in an exciting way, what i am eager to lose, is the lower level of re(a)lationship that i experience in mere dream or mere thought. for example, you quote: "did i dream her so many times, or think of her each time i woke up?" this sort of epistemological question is almost tautological... what would be the big difference, whether i am dreaming her throughout the night or waking up consistently and having her as the first thought on my mind before falling back asleep? it's not as though i'm asking, "did i dream her, or was she lying in my bed?" "did i see her eyes, or were we looking inside each other's looking?" these are the sorts of questions that seem to distinguish between reality and dreams, or relationship and fantasy, or a higher level and a lower level, etc. my question -- not to limit it only to this -- in the poem can be seen as something like a statement: i'm obsessing. or, at the very least, i'm dwelling on this. (then, of course, there's the seeming difference between a dream image and a thought--)
but you also point out three particular lines, which all share a certain feeling in common. i'll wait for your next post to go on a bit, cuz otherwise i'll just start ramblin' away.
James
Uhhhhhhhh…….James, Que? Каква? Što? Wat? Quoi? Was? Τι? Cosa? Hva? Co? Ce? Что? Vad? What? I hope you don’t take offense...because…. My head is spinning. I’ve read your post a couple of times and I think my questions to you weren’t specific enough, and maybe some of what you are saying has connections to conversations I haven’t been part; and so you took me on a nice journey of your thoughts but I am still a bit confused.
Not sure I can tease this out but let me try. If not I think I can poke this a few other ways for an interesting conversation. The following few lines that I called out from your poem were standing out to me I think because they represent how you were feeling. And I think I feel and recognize those feelings outside of the fantasy/dream in this poem. If reality and “unreality” are insufficient than help me understand why you play so often between the two. Isn’t there a significance between the relation of the two?
what is it i lose
when i lose myself
holding her face in my hands –
Holding her face in your hands is the most physical contact you make in this poem. You talk about holding and reaching for her hands, but never hold them. But here in the first section you are holding her face. This is a physical act one that feels like it is outside the fantasy. If you hold her face in your hands are you doing this in reality, and if so, than what are you losing? Since I live with so much fear, I automatically wonder if you are afraid to lose yourself here. So my question is, why? What are you afraid to lose? What does it mean to lose your self? Maybe by losing yourself you let go of the past that has destroyed you and are only present with this woman, holding her face in your hands, which is such a tender thing to say. Holding all of the elements of relationship -- need, trust, desire, love and understanding-- from the top, her face/head in your hands.
Are you learning to trust yourself and thus losing your old self in the safety of your dreams and learning how to look at the realization of true relationship in the eyes the way we are learning to hold our feelings before they dissolve?
hey Megan. thanks for the
hey Megan. thanks for the clarification, i understand your question much better now. sorry i was so confusing in my last post! first thing is first: as far as my reading of this poem is concerned, the line you point to is not outside of the fantasy realm. in fact, if anything remains consistent in this poem, it is the immense wall standing in the way of relationship. (i’ll point out here that there are many different ways of reading each line and the poem as a whole, and i’m going to give a somewhat literal reading with the knowledge where words directly came from out of my experience. the poem is not limited to this, and i wouldn’t want to limit it to what i’m about to say.)
as you can see in Om's earlier posts, there is a desire to connect, but there is no connection. what is it i lose / when i lose myself / holding her face in my hands -- you point to my line about not touching her hands and, in fact, that line occurs immediately before the question you point to:
and i have no need to inquire anxiously
it is enough to observe
the way i see her eyes.
but more,
how do i feel her skin
though i have yet to touch even her hands?
it can be difficult to observe.
what is it i lose
when i lose myself
holding her face in my hands –
this then follows through a description of aspects of her face until, finally, the speaker of the poem utters: i do not believe it. yes, there is a play between levels of reality (levels of relationship) in this poem, but it is not between the real and the unreal, the existent and the mere fantastic.
there is a movement to these three sets of lines. watch them follow one another. “it is enough to observe the way i see her eyes.” this is not a statement of romance, rather it is inquiry, it is a question (what Om likes best!) – yet not anxious inquiry. it is calm, confident, earnest. “how do i see her eyes?” it is asked with sincere interest, and the only “do-ing” is observation. i watch myself. i watch myself watching her and just observe. i am seeking understanding of my experience.
but more, i ask: how do i feel her skin though i have yet to touch even her hands? this distance, this ability to observe is beginning to break down a bit. i am not merely seeing her, rather i am touching her, even though i have not in fact touched her. but again, i ask. how is it? how is it that i feel her skin, even though i have not? the most straightforward answer is: i don’t. a still direct answer is: through fantasy. a deluded response would be: i am touching her hands; and this is precisely what happens a moment later because: it can be difficult to observe.
when is it difficult to observe? when i am no longer seeking understanding, but buying into the fantasy. what is it i lose when i lose myself holding her face in my hands – it is important to note, considering the preceding lines, that i am not holding her face in my hands.
(for example, the section opens with the relief that, “at least i can hear,” and that “it is enough to observe the way i see.” hearing is the only link to the relationship left alone, and i'd love to explore this and the other senses further. sight is rendered problematic in the first section; but touch brings me over the brink. it is not enough. i do not say, “at least i can feel her,” “at least i can hold her face,” rather, i say, “i have yet to touch even her hands; it can be difficult to observe.”)
this question, “what is it i lose when i lose myself,” is quite multifaceted. it’s a fun one. it can be left to these words and isolated, and it is a fun fun question. what is it i lose when i lose myself? it almost begs to be rephrased: is there anything to lose? have i got anything to lose? :P it speaks itself that way in this poem as well, but it is also in a very specific context. “myself” can be taken, in the way i’ve been reading the poem, to mean my ability to observe, and, consequently, my ability to feel clearly. i ask the question, just like i did in the previous two stanzas, but i am never able to complete the inquiry. a hyphen cuts me off and then i do lose myself holding her face in my hands, so to speak. the question, directly, is about that experience.
hopefully i’ve been clear and we can dialogue onwards!!
—and one more thing one more time, the reason i said reality/irreality is insufficient is because my experience is of levels of reality. thus it is not enough to say that the dream is not real, and when she is sitting in front of me it is real. i ask this: if i experience mutual presence, recognition and understanding with someone in a dream, is this less real than sitting across the table from someone, unrecognized by her because of her walls and unable to recognize her because of the temporarily overwhelming remnants of “a past that has nearly destroyed me”? the first experience, granted, is limited to myself – it is a self-recognition, it is a relationship with a figment of my own creation, while i am asleep! i only here pose the question, because for me it is insufficient to dismiss it outright as “real vs. dream.”—
QUESTIONING AND THE REVOLT AGAINST MEANING
Hey James, in the spirit of keeping our discussion about your poem alive (as well as, my thoughts on the current political circus and financial system debacle), I was wondering if you had a chance to read at least parts of my postmodern playful post, particularly the section on `The Praxis of Questioning.’ Hidden in the jet stream of association was a more serious point regarding what might be described as an inscription in the very formation of modern thinking challenging failed worldviews (as revealed in genocide and ecocide) and systems of categorization (as revealed in perpetuated authoritarian or patriarchal power structures), and which I find squarely in the middle of psychological inquiry. For example, as much as we attempt to decenter, we still find ourselves adopting what appear to be preexisting (conventional) beliefs regarding what is real, what is true, what is right, what is healthy, etc. How do we know that insight and the productions of self-reflection, as we know them, are not actually undermining our striving for autonomy or a highly particularlized individuality not subsumed under the extant authoritarianism of patriarchy? In your poem, `distraction,’ for example, you share with Megan that you’re “seeking understanding of my experience.” I’m curious, what do you imagine that understanding to entail or reveal (or, perhaps, even conceal)?
Will that understanding you realize, for example, then be true? I’m thinking now of two philosophical theories of truth that I keep running into: coherence and correspondence. As one author defines them, “The coherence criterion of truth states that a theory is true if and only if it provides a consistent explanation of the phenomena to be explained. A theory that has to rely on a hypothesis that is not consistent with the basic concepts and principles of the theory fails the test. A theory that cannot account for all of the phenomena to be explained also fails the test. Coherence requires logical consistency (non-contradiction) and explanatory completeness. The coherence theory of truth asserts that theories that meet these criteria are true.”
“The correspondence theory of truth states that a belief, hypothesis or idea is true to the extent that it corresponds with reality. The correspondence criterion of truth is a basic premise of common sense, as well as, of scientific and philosophical empiricism.”
Though coherence and correspondence are theories of philosophical thought, we can see these applied to the practical affairs of life as well in the very formation of our everyday thoughts. The understanding you are seeking in `distraction’ is seeking an understanding of your experience, as you say, but your experience of what?
On a scale let’s say from one to ten, I’ll give you a thirteen if you answer the question :)
truth is the word
because i've twice lost this stupid post, i'm just going to be brief. i had all this stuff to say about the term 'truth' getting hijacked and becoming an obsession, and i asked persistently, "who the hell cares about truth?" but i just haven't it in me to type it all up again. i've gone many months without losing a post, and then down goes one twice in a row, as seems to be my wont every once in a while. so, there goes that.
experience of, like 'truth', seems beside the point to me at the moment. you ask your question two ways, and i'm not entirely sure that it means the same thing both times:
but before this you ask: "How do we know that insight and the productions of self-reflection, as we know them, are not actually undermining our striving for autonomy or a highly particularlized individuality not subsumed under the extant authoritarianism of patriarchy?" this really inspires a "who cares" from me. maybe i'm just tired, but that seems like a mess not worth getting into, that one doesn't really need to get into at all, even though it might look as though it is unavoidable. to me it just seems out-of-the-way, like a detour through Ketchikan when the road straight to Oz is in fine functioning order.
so anyway, your first Q: what do i imagine the understanding of my experience to entail or reveal. let's say: Truth.
your second Q: understanding of my experience... but my experience of what? i believe this misses the point entirely. the point is the understanding, hence the bold, and the understanding itself is what the experience becomes of anyway, so what does it matter what the experience is "of" in the first place? it just doesn't matter all that much, other than that it totally matters. but that's just the usual paradoxicality going at it, don't worry too much about it. the experience reveals itself, previously covered over, in the understanding; in the light, so to speak, of understanding.
and it's okay if i failed the quiz cuz i've already gotten a thirteen. and one thirteen, even if only once, is quite plenty for me.
THE WEBS WE WEAVE: IF THE TRUTH BE TOLD
Though I found your post entertaining, I also found it evasive, but perhaps that was your point. You seem to have given us a wonderful example of the term tautology, which is great because I love this word. It has an onomatopoeiac flavor to it. At first you say, “experience of, like 'truth', seems beside the point to me at the moment…” and soon follow it with this: “so anyway, your first Q: what do i imagine the understanding of my experience to entail or reveal. let's say: Truth.” In another statement, you say: “your second Q: understanding of my experience... but my experience of what? i believe this misses the point entirely. the point is the understanding, hence the bold, and the understanding itself is what the experience becomes of anyway, so what does it matter what the experience is "of" in the first place? it just doesn't matter all that much, other than that it totally matters. but that's just the usual paradoxicality going at it, don't worry too much about it. the experience reveals itself, previously covered over, in the understanding; in the light, so to speak, of understanding.” This paradoxicality (another favorite word of mine), as you call it, feels like tautology dressed in a paradoxical skirt.
What you refer to as “a mess not worth getting into,” feels to me like a mess we must get into if true or substantial change will ever really take place. It reminds me of the value of conversation as the road to truth. Truth, from this perspective, is simply the result of open dialogue between two people, where both individuals elaborate their emotional states into ideas and ways of relating.
Lastly, understanding is never merely an understanding of itself nor of an experience revealing itself “in the understanding” (whatever that means). Yes, through deep meditation, for example, we can reach an understanding superordinate to linguistic conceptualization; but, compassion then tells us to help others understand those realizations through communications and discourse.
_____ _____ is my life (hint: saviour)
i have very serious responses to this post of yours, challenging you to take my previous post more seriously than you seem to be -- seem to be -- but instead of giving way to snark and silliness (which is how the post was turning out -- i'm working on an essay and i want to save my cleverness for it instead of letting myself be more evasive here), i'll just try and give you a more satisfactory and less evasive response.
it's clear you are challenging me here, but you don't give me a clear challenge. i'll try and respond to both your previous post and this one anyway. but i'm not going to respond to your definitions, because they feel limiting to me -- like you're asking me what i mean and then providing me with definitions. i'm not going to ignore them, but i'm not going to address them, either. not just now.
the whole point of just about anything i write is relationship. if i'm writing something, without even glancing at it you can wager it's somehow going to be about relationship (and i mean 'about' also in the cool way: regarding, outside of, peri -- surrounding). i talk about seeking understanding of my experience. this, as one may have already guessed, is directly related to relationship. all sorts of relationship. relationship with myself, with others, with the universe... the meaning of said understanding is manifold, and your first question was about said understanding.
understanding of my experience entails recognition, as far as i've thus far come to understand. recognition of what? well, that necessitates an initial response to your second question, namely on the nature of my experience. my experience is not so much "experience of" as it is a placeholder term for my response to things.
what i was playing with in my last post is that those things aren't so important as the response -- the way i feel, think, and act in response to the innumerable conditions of each arising instant. e.g., i'm walking down the street, thinking about a whole set of things, and various people pass me by; my phone rings, it's someone from my family, i answer the phone and have a conversation. seeking understanding of my experience -- in this mundane example -- is seeking recognition and comprehension of my (mainly emotional) response to each of these things. basically (fundamentally): understanding entails a clear recognition of my own needs, thus allowing me to respond to my surroundings (for lack of a better term) in a coherent, compassionate way.
now, i would have expected a question from you, since you found my last post evasive. i don't agree that i was being evasive, although i don't entirely disagree, either. one question i would have expected is in regards to this piece you point out -- the "mess not worth getting into." you disagree with me. did you notice that i point out that it looks as though one cannot avoid said mess? you and i are thus having a meaningful moment of disagreement -- it's worth dialogue, no? so where is your questioning? anyway, i'm asking the Q for you.
why do i think it's "not worth getting into," that "one doesn't really need to get into [it] at all"? the mess in question is: "How do we know that insight and the productions of self-reflection, as we know them, are not actually undermining our striving for autonomy or a highly particularlized individuality not subsumed under the extant authoritarianism of patriarchy?"
by the way, it should be said that you answered your own questions to me in this very sentence, didn't you? (though i made sure to not use your terms -- which made it tougher and probably less clear.) if i'm right about that: talk about tautological! sheesh! the point that i didn't make but pointed to in my previous post is that this question is only necessary if it isn't already clear that "insight and the productions of self-reflection, as we know them, are not actually undermining..." etc, etc. one can very easily say: "Duh. James -- it is not already clear, hence the question." my response is that, for my perhaps very special experience, insight comes along with the answer to your question, and it's something like: we just know. this, i promise, is not evasive. insufficient? perhaps. maybe even foolish, i'm not sure. i am sure that someday i'll be able to better put the experience to words -- when the experience itself has become clearer... when... i've gained greater understanding of it (you really are going to poke fun at my metaphor while ignoring the whole juicy center of it? c'mon, light of understanding...?!?!) but at present my faith is pretty straightforward -- my faith in direct experience, that is. you know -- direct experience is happening all the time. it's just that it's sort of useless to me when i'm paying no attention, have no recognition of it, and thus gain no understanding. understanding is the light. it's the whole thing. it's what opens up my doors to relationship, even if relationship begins at a place of little understanding, constantly seeking more of itself. does that also not make sense? ahh, well, who's keeping score at this point, anyway? i made understanding bold, and if nothing else, i'm sticking by that. but relationship gets all three typeface emphases, even if that opens up a whole new can 'o worms. did i mention i went to a gospel meeting the other day?
JESUS, GET A LIFE
James, now I’m tired, so won’t address most of your post tonight (which I more than thoroughly enjoyed :) One thing that struck me was that truth was nowhere (explicitly) to be found and, as I read it, your post is more about truth than relationship (thought the two are inseparable). Which leads me to my second point, and it’s not Jesus. You say, “direct experience is happening all the time.” This assumption sounds as if it is happening to us, as opposed to our creating it. Applied to your definition of understanding,
“seeking understanding of my experience -- in this mundane example -- is seeking recognition and comprehension of my (mainly emotional) response to each of these things [acts]. basically (fundamentally): understanding entails a clear recognition of my own needs, thus allowing me to respond to my surroundings (for lack of a better term) in a coherent, compassionate way.”
Let me propose a definition of truth. It’s a poem by e.e. cummings:
Since feeling is first
Who pays any attention
To the syntax of things
Will never wholly kiss you
And to your point (which ties in relationship), a kiss happens (is created) somewhere in a story (fiction) being lived in and which I am creating. But, the feeling is not first, the story is, and this story is truth, the ultimate fiction, as Stevens called it. And it is my understanding, the “clear recognition,” not necessarily or primarily “of my own needs,” but of how my needs are integrally constructing the narrative of my story, that makes and is my life, a life artistically (and “at last laid bare and illuminated” as Proust believed) rendered by the imagination.
i got life, mother; i got laughs, sister
i wish you'd call it a fucking statement instead of assumption. that feels condescending to me. and anyway, it's doubly condescending because again you aren't asking! no, that's not what i mean. you'd have to be very unfamiliar with my perspective on the universe to think that i assume "it is happening to us." and did you even read my last post?!?! Jesus! if i said anything implicitly at all it's that truth is relationship, only this too requires parsing, which i won't provide just now. so you use what you posit to be my definition, "a kiss happens," and parenthetically insert your new take, "(is created)." you're reminding me of my high school (and unfortunately college) teachers who assert that Oedipus the King poses the question to us: fate or free will? why are people always insisting on making choices between such things? and isn't this that exact question? only i am not supposing that you are insisting on universal free will (at the cost of what one may wish to call "fate") because i can't be sure you're saying that. but i do know that you're positing my position to be one that fails to acknowledge our own part in the creation of direct experience. my god, Om, i wish you'd just ask me a fucking question already. No, I am not saying that direct experience merely happens to us, but agree with your seeming suggestion here that we create it. I don't know whether we agree about the fine points, because we haven't discussed them as such. I appreciate that you've asked, though, because it makes my previous post much clearer, in retrospect, to read it with the understanding that I suggest neither "fate" nor "free will," but an arising of conditions that are each either created by us, happening to us, or some combination of both. What I mean by these terms is quite a thing, but perhaps it ultimately reveals my lack of familiarity with Truth, with which, admittedly, I'm working on better acquainting myself. But, didn't you originally want to know what I meant?
NO, I DON’T THINK I’LL KISS YOU, THOUGH YOU NEED KISSING BADLY
As someone who would consider himself nondual (and therefore a slayer of binarisms), I’m a bit confused about your use of the binary fate/free will as a reference for this assumption: “but i do know that you're positing my position to be one that fails to acknowledge our own part in the creation of direct experience.” In fact, this is a false statement. I happen to know that you know that we create our reality, moment to moment. I was critiquing your term “happening,” which implies a separation between agency and occurrence.
for all the kiddies out there watching from home
this is a bullshit objection. i say that you are positing my position to be, and that has nothing to do with what you happen to know. so there ::sticks out tongue::
Screaming for help
OK. I really do want to jump in here, but don't have a clue to what I am jumping into. Where does one start. Here I go again: I am a precocious 7th grader ( or make it 8th) and someone needs to explain to me what the conversation is about. Now, this is a test of course - but an important one. What the hell are you talking about? Forget the playfulness, forget the long theories - help me find a way in. Catching up is not an option for me unless I stop sleeping, eating, working, and just focus - and my aging brain is tired today. Plus, I was at a deadly dinner party last night which left me in a state of total numbness.
Oh, I do get it....
Om and James have been married for 55 years and they have been debating the same issues for 50 of them. The first five years was all sex and left very little room for anything else. Now at their holiday dinner the great grand kids are screaming, "They're at it again," The first generation off spring are in another room trying to get rid of some of the books they collected over the years and the brisket is dry as usual.
Screaming from the sidelines
LOL! I've been lost since Om's 8 page response.
James/Om, Can you give us a direction/ one question to help us jump in?
SOMETHING JAMES IS THAT DOESN’T LOVE A WALL
Okay, Em and Megan, I’ll tell you what this dialogue between James and me is about. It’s about relationship and how relationship, through intention, kneads itself into truth statements regarding shared meanings. For example, in reading James’ poem `distraction,’ I found myself more than curious about the many meanings it conveyed about and for James. I say about because it is his poem and thus was born out of his experience; I say for because these meanings reach outside the poem itself and point to other meanings we might all share as human beings.
I was interested in the exquisite paradox this poem presents, as a creation of the imagination, and how this unique imagination used language in peculiar ways as to evoke some very deep emotions and thoughts. What is the paradox: the simultaneous absence and presence of relationship. As James pointed out, the narrator is unable to connect: “there is a desire to connect, but there is no connection. what is it i lose / when i lose myself / holding her face in my hands –“. And yet, in the very writing of these lines, he is connecting -- to himself, his imagination, his meanings and understandings, his deeper desires, and to the reader. No, perhaps he isn’t physically connecting to another human being, but the poem implies that its very creation, much like a dream, is the necessary precursor to making that connection. In fact, its sheer honesty is the very placeholder of that potential.
Now, my curiosity and interest are funny things, they want more; in fact, they demand more, because my feelings demand more relationship. And, as my earlier quite of cummings says:
Since feeling is first
Who pays any attention
To the syntax of things
Will never wholly kiss you
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Ah, another paradox. I privilege feelings first and foremost but my feelings are integrally connected to my desire to know and, for me, language serves that desire most exquisitely. Language is as real to me as the signified they point to, even if the signified are ideas. And so, I wanted to know more about James’ meanings. I wanted to break down the wall separating me from his experience, even if that wall proved subtley glossed. For example, I needed to know more about what “understanding” means to him. And “direct experience.” And “truth.” James claims that relationship is his ultimate concern and what he is always writing about. Well, I wanted to know more about that, too. That I seemed to annoy him in the process was not my intention but surely was the icing on the cake of our dialogue.
Now, as I shared in my post `The Ephemera, Effluvia and Errata of distraction,’
“And so, again, I ask, what is `distraction’ about? Well, it’s not really about anything, that is, any thing; it’s about relationship, once again. It’s about negative states of mind and afflictive emotions, such as, isolation and shame, confusion and conflict, distance as absence and presence as intimacy; the deep body as the body of emotional life and the body as the vessel of love and death. And as I said, it’s about time and space as perspectives from which to either isolate or hopefully integrate mental states, levels of awareness and language and experience. On the surface structure, the poem is about a man trying to connect with a woman and with himself vis-à-vis the faculty of cognition, as an aesthetically driven search for beauty and love or, more accurately beauty in love.”
These were my playful but serious meditations on what his poem meant to me. The poem also spoke to me of impermanence (Ephemera means transitory written and printed matter not intended to be retained or preserved), what consciousness as mind releases, like air (effluvia means a slight or invisible exhalation or vapor); and the reworking of meanings in seeking truth (errata refers to a list of errors and their corrections inserted, usually on a separate page or slip of paper). Through this particular post I was exploring further, psychoanalytically, philosophically, and spiritually James’ poetic experiences. Thus, his poem gave me further pleasure and joy in inviting me to create new relationships of and to meaning and truth.
responding to responding to responding to myself
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The best way I know how to respond to the recent posts is to follow my train of thought, as certain words or ideas weave their way in my own life. Truth. Distraction. Understanding.
It has been an interesting few weeks for me. My life is a continous lesson in waking up. It has not been an easy time. Many deep and painful emotions have surfaced, but this is my cue: something important is happening. I know that the only way to approach this state of mind is to get as close to it as I can. Running from the feelings or distracting myself only causes greater suffering.
Goodbyes are excruciating.. The anxiety and emotions of a goodbye begins churning weeks and months before the actual parting. I wake up morning after morning locked in a dark, emotional tunnel that I have known since I was a young child. It is my personal hell. It has little voices that tells me that life is too painful. It is a combination of profound sadness, fear and anxiety. Death – the perceived, great enemy sits on my doorstep.
As Noah was preparing for his trip to South America these feelings swelled. I was terrified, and angry, that this was happening, as if it was something happening to me.. On one level, I didn’t think I was really feeling what my emotions were telling me I was feeling and on the other hand these same emotions were telling me that this was all I was capable of feeling. I couldn’t live with the emotions and I couldn’t live without them. I so much identify with this kind of sadness. And so what did I do? I sat and sat. Sometimes I had periods of relief, but relief was not what I was after. My goal was simply to stay with my feelings and not run away. I wanted to have my feelings without going over the story: Noah is leaving. I don’t when I will see him. What if something happens and we never see each other again.. This was like living with a cartoon of myself. I needed to find myself in the midst of this internal chaos.
It seems so obvious now
The last time I saw my sister she was getting into the car. My parents were driving her to the hospital for what they knew would be the last time. I did not know this. My mother said to me, “Say goodbye to your sister,” as if she was leaving on a vacation. That is what I did. I waved and said goodbye. She never came back.
Since then all goodbyes have been death. I felt this without understanding it and without understanding it I was locked into continually feeling it. Sometimes the most obvious things are the very things that are the most difficult to see.
My present life is not filled with grief and yet saying goodbye filled me with grief. I was aware of it as it was happening. These emotions – actually any emotion, on either end of the spectrum used to make me feel alive. In fact, I needed them to feel alive. I had no concept of just being; of just living in the middle, in the ease of life not upset as often by the forces that come at me from all directions. The feelings of grief that were taking over my life at the thought of Noah leaving were not my friends. They were uninvited guests that I let come into my house and take over again and again. I kept asking myself why Noah’s leaving set off thoughts of death – when in my head, and really, in my heart, I felt nothing but pride at his taking hold of his life and pursuing his journey. This was beautiful.
Mostly, hidden from view, I sobbed in profound grief. Then, something lifted. There was joy. By bringing the feelings close, I brought them home without embarrassment, hatred, or judgment. Then, like any good mother, I let them go. It sounds simple, but believe me, I have been immersed in this for weeks, and prior to that – my entire life.
I don’t know what I would have said to my sister or what she would have said to me if given the opportunity. What I have discovered is that I can say goodbye without the grief, and still, hold in my mind and heart, that each parting demands that we say what is in our hearts. That is enough. There is a time for grief. But not now.
THIRTEEN WAYS OF LOOKING AT JAMES
James, it looks as if I'm not down just yet :) It is clear that “experience” for you has more to do with responding (“a placeholder term for my response to things.”) than an isolated, passive type of receiving, as, for example, stimuli. A “placeholder” suggests a more inclusive or holistic engagement with the world surround, and you yourself as part of that world.
“Understanding” for you, as part of experience, is a realization or culmination of a process of “seeking recognition and comprehension of my (mainly emotional) response to each of these things” and “entails a clear recognition of my own needs.” Though you do not define what “needs” are, we can assume that in meeting these needs, you are then able to “respond to my surroundings (for lack of a better term) in a coherent, compassionate way.” We might call this process itself “relationship” because of its nature of occurring within a relational space.
So, nicely, we have covered experience, response, understanding, recognition and relationship. But, something seems to be missing here, and for me it is meaning, that which these above signifiers point to and which connect them all. As you say it, “what i was playing with in my last post is that those things aren't so important as the response -- the way i feel, think, and act in response to the innumerable conditions of each arising instant. The way we “feel, think, and act in response to the innumerable conditions of each arising instant” reflects something uniquely ours and wholly universal in its fictive orientation. That is, what we call meaning is an orienting mind-made reality constitutive of creations of the imagination. These creations, which are inherently aesthetic (and empty!), are multitudinous in their productions and are value-laden, that is, never separate from their ethical implications. And that is what is most important: that they are mind-made. Which, referring to direct experience and faith -- “my faith in direct experience, that is. you know -- direct experience is happening all the time.”—we must never forget that direct experience isn’t happening; we are creating it, in the same way we create faith and Jesus.
RESPONDING TO EMILY: ILLUSIONS OF LOSS
I was about to write a post continuing my experience and observations with James’ poem, with a specific focus on empathy or, more specifically, the shifting between empathy and identification, how the poem’s narrator is attempting to locate his experience in and through the fantasied other; yet the other is necessarily failing to empathically respond. And, at the same time, how the narrator is trying to enter the other in order to alter her subjectivity and thus his own. And that the poem attempts to resolve itself in the body and its parts, through a kind of visceral reaching, suggests a desire to connect in a way reminiscent of an earlier developmental time prior to when affect through language is formulated. But, then I happened upon Emily’s post. The motion of time stopped and its images slipped away and I felt again as if I were with one of my friends who, let’s say, I was guiding through a delayed grief reaction because she never grieved the mother she lost when she was only 5. In fact, it was on Rosh Hashanah (New Years) a few years back, and I feel as if I have returned.
“The last time I saw my sister she was getting into the car. My parents were driving her to the hospital for what they knew would be the last time. I did not know this. My mother said to me, “Say goodbye to your sister,” as if she was leaving on a vacation. That is what I did. I waved and said goodbye. She never came back.”
Our parents’ inability to help us understand life and death and loss through the vital function of empathic resonance and education looks exactly like the above sentences that Emily so painfully and vividly shared. When I was 12, I was literally shaken out of deep sleep to see my mother’s anguished face and my brother, in back of her, frightened, and having to hear my mother’s detached but strained voice: “Paul, wake up, daddy died last night.” Obviously, Emily and I were traumatized, not by her sister’s and my father’s death, but how we were taught to approach and understand loss in the context of living. What if we were brought up in, let’s say, Tibet, in a Buddhist lineage, which teaches rebirth and that the purpose of life is to prepare for the celebration of death. Would Emily then, repeatedly over the course of her life “wake up morning after morning locked in a dark, emotional tunnel” because of “little voices that tell [her] life is too painful” and the “profound sadness, fear and anxiety” erupting from thoughts of “Death – the perceived, great enemy sits on [her] doorstep?” I think not.
I have been blessed in this lifetime to, at first muddle and then wade through, in a process of deconstruction, the distorted and perverted beliefs western culture had insinuated in my mind regarding nearly everything forming conventional thought as we know it. I am only too familiar with Emily’s demons because they’re all of our demons formed in the nascent teachings of a dissociated adolescent culture.
Emily, the process you just shared in your post so aligns with the most successful therapeutic quest of dismantling twisted beliefs by unraveling (and revealing and naming) the affects or emotions that feed them, particularly fear. With this process as our daily practice, no doubt we will wake up each day with the words (or something like them): I am grateful to be alive so that I can cultivate compassion for all beings without exception,” and then, in the face of loss, smile, again with gratitude for what we have learned; and know that “What I have discovered is that I can say goodbye without the grief, and still, hold in my mind and heart, that each parting demands that we say what is in our hearts. That is enough.”
IS OF THE SLIGHTEST BONDAGE MADE AWARE
Why do we attempt to describe a particular phenomenon anyway? And why do we choose to explain it using one particular conceptual framework instead of another? How we envision the world determines how we explain it, for example, viewing the mind as composed of various parts or images of self and others interacting with each other and with the external world in a kind of side-by-side existence, and which can be disowned or dissociated due to massive empathic failure beginning in childhood. Massive here refers to ongoing misattunements. When affects (feelings) fail to evoke responsiveness, they become walled off.
Now, what’s compelling to me is how these dissociated parts of the self get communicated and make their way into the relationship. Think of that experience when you’re with someone and you feel this great discomfort viscerally as if coming from the other but you can’t exact put your finger on what it means. It’s not empathy, per se, because you’re not emotionally resonating with the other’s experience as much as having the experience put into you because it’s inaccessible (unconscious) to the other. Though the other may not consciously know it, she is attempting to be understood in a specific way. Unfortunately, sharing what that something might be (ie, intolerable feelings) could possibly result in defensiveness.
And so, as we are describing a relational event, the need to describe experience at all becomes evident: to create a relational bond. And the reason why we describe these events in specific ways is because one way of describing feels truer than another way; that is, it emotionally resonates more likely due to its coherence, its ability to consistently and completely explain an event. What I have consistently observed is that explaining events from the inside out most always proves more coherent, in particular when describing human functioning.
The sheer aesthetic beauty of a poem or prose (in contrast to a theoretical formulation, such as this post) is found in its ability to evoke powerful feelings; however, those feelings, in and of themselves, do not create a healthy sense of self or relationship. The beauty of theory is in its translatability, that is, its ability to apply its framework to actual, lived relationships. So, taking James’ poem, `distraction,’ for example, and constructing a conceptual linking to lived experience enhances its meaningfulness, opens up its aesthetic horizons to include let’s say psychological ones. It’s this linking, creating a bridge (metaphora) that goes in both directions, that I’m interested in. Neither the theoretical nor the aesthetic impinge on each other’s flourishments. In fact, the looking inside of each perspective creates the potential for broadening one's own (world)view and preventing even the slightest bondage to one's particular frame.
Theory - a starting and stopping place
Ok... I already lost this post once, which I am not sure it made sense the first time. I don’t know if I can do any better the second time, since I don’t know where I am going. This is the surface. But I'll jump in and expose myself (cover your eyes) and just admit to my own restricted thinking.
I have trouble with theories: not necessarily the substance of the theories but the language of them. There are words and ways of saying things that seem to just enter my brain and never make it into my heart (instincts, intuition) a starting place for me to process.. What trips me up is when theory becomes more of the experience than the experience itself. I do not know how to explain my own statement. I wonder if theory can become a fixed way of interpreting, which then leads to labeling and fitting things into boxes that may not be the right size? Isn’t there a danger of pushing experience into a particular theory and therefore distancing oneself from a more direct encounter?
FROM TEXT TO EXPERIENCE, FROM THEORY TO MEANING:
FROM TEXT TO EXPERIENCE, FROM THEORY TO MEANING: WHY ARE THERE THREE LITTLE PIGS AND NOT TWO?
I first read Emily’s post at work. My friend printed it out for me. I guess she intuited what I had felt last night upon reading Emily’s post: that another beautiful new dialogue was emerging and I couldn’t wait to get home for it to continue. In fact, I didn’t wait to get home to respond; I responded to Emily by text. I noticed that Emily, once again, pushed up against the language of theory because she feels it is experience-distant but, worse, she feels it could manipulate people’s reality or create a type of discriminatory mindset based on individual differences. As she says: “I wonder if theory can become a fixed way of interpreting, which then leads to labeling and fitting things into boxes that may not be the right size? Isn’t there a danger of pushing experience into a particular theory and therefore distancing oneself from a more direct encounter?”
As a person who loves theory and who has spent the better part of his life theory-building, I find myself a bit sad and befuddled by Emily’s repugnance of theory. And I ask, is it a kind of logophobia, the fear of words? It can’t be, she loves words! How about hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia, a fear of long words? I understand fear, believe me. I used to be oneirogmophobic, which is a fear of wet dreams but I overcame it by wearing galoshes to bed. And more recently I became triskadekaphobic, fear of the number 13, but overcame it by watching `House.’
Oh Emily, will I ever win you over? Sometimes I just want to wrap you up in a theory and tie ribbons around you. I would call you something like Quirk Theory or Theory of Relatively Distrustful of Theories. But, anyone who knows me knows that I will not give up. I will attempt to convince you until this blog stops floating (theory of gravitation) and the stars stop banging (Big Bang Theory) that theory is experiencer-friendly.
Let’s start with imagination. Imagination is the name given to the process of generating metaphors, and metaphor, of course, is the bridge between feeling and the world. Emily’s bridge is the Golden gate of Tactility and mine might be called the Golden Gate of Theory (when I’m not writing bad poetry). Though different in language and style, both of our bridges ultimately reach the heart and beyond. And in some real ways, both respectively illuminate each other’s boundaries and possibilities for expansion. Ultimately, however, the bridge is less relevant than the sojourner who constructs and crosses it. The seeker will find the way irrespective of the linguistic currents that lead her there.
I do not think a theory can ever replace experience but a theoretician can USE theory to jettison or avoid the intimacy of experience. Personally, I can take the most abstract theory and apply it directly to experience. It feels like a deeply integrative and expansive process for me. This is why and how I feel theory, as a bridge TO experience. Labeling and other forms of boxing have nothing to do with theory but everything to do with people who manipulate language. The wise one will sculpt theory so that it resonates experience, not the other way around.
Om - don't be sad
I admited in my post that I knew my thinking about theory was restricted. I don't have a "theory," yet, of why I have this kind of automatic reaction, but I am exploring it, and exposing it. My desire is to understand. I do feel that while I can't follow the theories in a detailed way - I get the overall arc and respond in my own way, through story telling. Perhaps, my aversion to theory, is very personal - too many years with bad therapist who had all kinds of theories about who I was - everything from bi-polar, depressed, OCD, ADD, who name it, I fit into it. In that context, theory made me feel that I was robbed of my own narrative. But hey, I am willing to be wrapped in a theory, especially is the ribbons are bright colors. I do believe,I do feel, that our bridges connect - I am interested in becoming more at ease with theory and give up my fixed belief or fear. So, don't be sad. Nothing stays the same, not even me.
EMILY IS AS IN A FIELD A SILKEN THEORY
Emily might be surprised to here that part of the reason I posted Robert Frost’s poem, `The Silken Tent,’ is because it is not only a poem but also a theory. Or, at least, it speaks to me of what theory ought to be. When we typically refer to theory, we think of a system of signs signifying a set of meaning-practices that institutionalize the world in which we live. Institutionalization here means that we adhere to a specific socio-cultural frame of reference predetermined and embedded in some tradition. As Emily shared, for example, “Perhaps, my aversion to theory, is very personal - too many years with bad therapist who had all kinds of theories about who I was - everything from bi-polar, depressed, OCD, ADD, you name it, I fit into it. In that context, theory made me feel that I was robbed of my own narrative.”
As I have consistently stated, theory for me is more of a discourse, a kind of interrogation or confrontation of critical and complex self-scrutiny regarding how consciousness and dialogue are ordered. In this beautiful poem, the arc of freedom and individuality are (tra)versed as if against a field of consciousness. Like theory, the silken tent, as a feminine projection of refuge and expansiveness (desire), is reminiscent of the nature of process, an uninterrupted movement of meaning (like the poem itself) at once holding the dialectical tension of opposites in an effort to transform knowing and being. There is no doubt a center (“midday,” a “supporting central cedar pole,” the “pinnacle to heavenward”) but the center of theory is ever-shifting like “countless silken ties” in a diversity of difference and pluralism of choice. Though this center counters the nihilism of meaninglessness, it can never return to the privileging of meaning that patriarchy, in the form of authority, and control, in the form of normalization have tightly held since medieval times. For, as part of the self-correcting method of the new “theory” or, more accurately, “theorizing,” it is in the awareness of the capriciousness (relativity) of reality that the “slightest bondage” of meaning is “made aware.”
She is as in a field a silken tent
At midday when the sunny summer breeze
Has dried the dew and all its ropes relent,
So that in guys it gently sways at ease,
And its supporting central cedar pole,
That is its pinnacle to heavenward
And signifies the sureness of the soul,
Seems to owe naught to any single cord,
But strictly held by none, is loosely bound
By countless silken ties of love and thought
To every thing on earth the compass round,
And only by one's going slightly taut
In the capriciousness of summer air
Is of the slightest bondage made aware.
Robert Frost
LOGIC OVER RHETORIC: THE
LOGIC OVER RHETORIC: THE “CORRECTNESS” OF DISCOURSE
Without any specific examples at hand (I seem to be flooded with them), the current political landscape leaves me at a loss when it comes to both reason and ethicality. No, the dominance of rhetoric over logic is not new when it comes to politics, but somehow we seem to be at an all time low. If we are generous and assume that stupidity is not a factor in what politicians (and the populace) are saying, then I think it is safe to say that, for all intents and purposes, the republican candidates are in fact ignorant; ignorant, that is, of what’s “correct.” For me, correctness refers to both a statement’s (and the ideas they engender) internal coherence and its ethicality, that is, it promises to be truthful and transmutative. In relation to the promise of change, the transmutative affects take in consideration the well-being of all beings and not just a few beings representing the higher power structures that be. Yes, I know, this sounds idealistic but I’m saying something different here. I’m saying that we have lost perspective necessarily because of a dissociated collective psyche recapitulated in the minds of politicians themselves. A psyche that is unable to assign emotional significance to events, such as, global warming, war, the banking system, poverty, etc. That we have accepted such extreme examples of representation, such as, Bush and Palin, speaks not only to Bush and Palin the individuals, but to all of us who have been slowly and steadily bamboozled by our conditioning and poor psychological (see this post) and intellectual education (and I don’t mean “formal” education). See my post on Paul Friere’s `Education for Critical Consciousness.’
Some thoughts? Nico, Megan, Camila, Emily, James, Caitlin, Linda, Cat?
What I see
Sometimes I cannot even comment on the current state of affairs – politics, because I find it exhausting. I see egos gone wild, cynicism, selfishness and a conscious strategy to play to people’s ignorance, fears, and inability to think. Everything that our society pushes us towards in terms of success: the materialism, being number one, would lead people to make the most selfish decisions. There are people in my family who will vote for McCain/Palin, based soley on the idea that they will not have to pay more taxes. For these family members there is no common good or common goal. It is all about them and their golf club membership.. I have a neighbor who is voting for McCain without questioning anything. That idea –to be a Republican and not a Democrat is unexamined. She believes abortion is murder and in the next breath says she does not think she could raise a child with Downs’s syndrome. Go figure. There is a world of people living by fixed beliefs and logic or facts have no impact.
I think we have a population that is becoming increasingly less educated. If you haven’t learned how to think then the world is black and white. No shades of grey. No ability to see beyond one’s own nose. I am not saying anything that has not been said before. The truth is I am not surprised by what I see or how people think. People want the movie star or the war hero. They want whatever they already believe to be validated. They want a daddy figure or mommy figure to make it all better (not that I understand how anyone can see McCain in this way. To tell you the truth I think this election is about Obama vs Palin. McCain, is already starting to fade. I’ve talked to some of my old social worker friends who were my colleagues in the years that Reagan was President. We watched Reagan’s press conferences together and figured out he had Alzheimer’s long before he left office. His incredible social skills were a great mask, but his eyes said it all. I called my colleagues and said, I think McCain is heading for dementia. The consensus was there. It is looking like he is already on that road or there is some mental health issue clouding his ability to make sense. I am eager to watch the next debate. During the first one I felt that his mind had little flexibility.
I am not without hope. The situation in our country has gotten so bad that perhaps more people are willing to look at what is happening and make a different choice. Even still, if Obama wins ( which I think he will) the expectation and demand for quick fixes will be so high creating a huge risk that, in the long run, he will be blamed for the state of our country. That is my state of mind today.
where else could we have gone?
i switch off between various responses to the current political landscape. i am also at a loss when it comes to both reason and ethicality. i'm sort of blown away. i was listening to NPR today and heard a bunch of folks (some "Democrats") who are either voting for McCain, or still unsure. those who were unsure were asked questions like, "what would be your rationale the day after election day if you were to vote for McCain? what reasons would you give for that decision?" they were unable to respond -- they didn't seem troubled enough by this. i was actually amazed to hear these testimonials. i hadn't really heard anything like it before, and hadn't had a chance to really consider the notion of supporting this brand of politics this year.
but i also am grateful at times. it depends on my mood. right now i'm feeling grateful. where else could we have gone? i'm grateful that we're being presented with such a stark choice. i believe the current collective consciousness of America(ns) and the world will be reflected in the decision we all make in November. i don't believe anything changes radically from one moment to the next -- there must be a movement, a shifting, a growth. but as the potential for growth becomes greater, so does the risk, and so as we see the window opening for some steps forward -- some steps that literally bring us into the future (or, perhaps, the present) instead of dragging us back repeatedly through the past and the traumas of the past -- we also see the other decision... i can't seem to conceptualize this other than through the analogy of individual experience, but it feels apt to me.
when i'm not feeling befuddled and frightened, i want to sing "Ballad of a Thin Man" to those who are clinging to control in fear and ignorance -- and to those people who thoughtlessly perpetuate it:
You walk into the room
With your pencil in your hand
You see somebody naked
And you say, "Who is that man?"
You try so hard
But you don't understand
Just what you'll say
When you get home
Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
I have been spending a lot
I have been spending a lot of time listening to NPR programs on the economy - which I find very confusing. While hearing some experts taking the trickle down and trickle up positions, I wondered how It was possible to still believe in the trickle down theory. Maybe what you suggest helps to explain what to me is sheer idiocy. I was unable to get the 2 links you included. I am especially interesested in what Paolo Friere has to say.
Linda: Welcome
Linda, Welcome to the block. NPR can get very confusing. There is way too much information out there and the state of the economy is already so emotionally charged. Because everyone, including myself it reacting more to the fear and uncertainty of it all.
If you are using Internet Explorer and the link does not work, put your cursor into the address bar and hit enter. Sometimes the links on this site go to the bottom on the page instead of the exact post. I am a bit swamped a work this week, but look forward to jumping into this conversation later tonight.
My thoughts on the Debate
I started this post last night but I didn’t get to finish it. I have more to add but thought I’d post this for now and come back to it. I am a little bit all over the place, thinking about three different things in relations to the recent thread, politics and the debate.
I’m interesting in better understanding the psychology behind the negative reactions and emotions of individuals when they try to talk about politics. Most people end up saying, I don’t talk about politics. Which is a horrible thing. If everyone only has two choices to not talk about them because disagreements automatically mean arguments or because they just are not interested how are we ever going to have a real conversation, clearly understand and make good choices that will enhance all of our lives?
The debate- I was getting really tired of the debate the other night and was about to turn into bed when they started talking about healthcare reform. My husband, who has always been very passionate about politics, and is a wise ass, said to me, So you are tired of democracy? How about you go watch the debate in Russia or North Korea. Oh yeah, they don't have democracy. I wish I could better portray his delivery because I was laughing so hard I could hardly answer our phone. As I was half listening to the debate and talking to my sister on the phone, she put on the debate as well and started asking me questions, many, many questions. We are less than 30 days away and most people, like my sister have actually never heard the candidates speak and more importantly speak about what they stand for and proposals for change. It got me thinking that I myself have way too often turn the other way when it comes to politics and I have never really paid much attention to the speeches and debates of candidates. Even currently I really know everything they each stand for and proposals they have. A friend of mine posted a comparison of the opposing health proposals from The Urban Institute, which is an organization that does nonpartisan economic and social policy research. It is very interesting. I still do not understand how McCain’s tax on healthcare works. They keep saying tax the employer for their contributions. At first I thought they meant to tax the contribution that comes directly out of our checks to pay for our health benefit as it is currently now taxed. However I do not think this is the case. Does anyone understand it?
Emily, your observation about McCain’s eyes is very interesting to see this from your point of view and experience as a social worker. I’ve felt a shift in him it is like he is sinking into himself. My husband and I were talking about how this shift might be that he is disappointed of who he has become. I almost feel like he just wants the prize, the presidency, and he has forgotten why. And as a result of wanting the presidency and continually trying to change/mold into what the republican party wants him to be is sort of sinking into himself.
Remembrance of Campaigns Past
Ahhhh, December 2007, the good old days. Poor old man didn't realize he was only putting on an act. Or is he putting on an act now? He asks us who the real Obama is; I am conflicted about who the real John McCain is. I want to believe that there is something authentic in that John McCain -- the one I respected, the one who rallied back from near-defeat in his primary without getting ugly -- but I'm failing to convince myself. And hell, even the honorable bit about "almost never" mentioning his son in Iraq (the would-be "trump card") has been abandoned -- and, yes, in a deceitful way (because, of course, by Cindy McCain's logic there, McCain himself voted to defund their son). Fucking tragic.
i don't get it either
I would like to ask John McCain if he understands his health care proposal. I'm disappointed that Obama's doesn't push toward universal coverage, but McCain's plan doesn't appear to pay heed to the long-term... after a few years of decreasing the number of uninsured, the number would turn around and begin to increase again. Weird.
Another thing that confuses me is this $5,000 credit... I don't think Obama is the most reliable voice for McCain's plan, but he does appear to be right that average costs are $12,000, and McCain's number isn't flexible: it stops at $5,000. That leaves a lot of people still struggling, especially those who -- as the report you link to (thanks!!) shows -- have chronic illnesses, and so on.
One of the amazing things to me was to hear Sarah Palin call this plan "budget neutral." I wasn't sure what that meant. Doesn't a $5,000 tax credit cost a lot of money? So then there's this tax that you point to, Megan. There is this tax credit, and then it seems to be paid for with tax increases on (i think largely untaxed) workers' health benefits -- so those who are covered by employers. I also don't really get what this is a tax on... but the really weird thing is that since this doesn't even come close to paying for the plan, McCain has to cut $1.3 trillion (... yeah...) from Medicare and Medicaid.
It's a weird plan, and it seems to accomplish very little. Like I said, I would like more from Obama's plan, but at least his is going in the right direction. One of the things that blows my mind is that McCain's plan -- which does not result in a real net increase in number of insured or limit the burdens put on those who are ill -- appears to be crazy expensive. I don't understand how this parses with the whole "budget neutral" claim; I'm not sure I understand the whole thing terribly well, but if I'm to choose between a pretty good plan that costs a lot of money, and a kind of unclear, hardly beneficial plan that costs even more money... yeah, well...
but i've still got to figure out a few things about it.
Just being here with you
So what to write.. Politics? The weekend?. Emotion?. Little things set me to tears. Can’t find the cat. Tears. Miss my children. Tears. Can’t find my glasses, tears. Leaving West Virginia yesterday after a lovely weekend, tears. If I didn’t know better, I would think I was depressed, but I am not depressed, I am having emotions. When I talk to myself, when I sit on my cushion, I hear myself saying,” You are sad, just get close to it. If you can’t get close to it, try getting angry.” At least that gets the energy flowing.
I have to give myself a little slack. There are great shifts here. Our friends came to West Virginia with their two boys, aged 6 and 8, and they found my son’s old bow and arrow and Lego’s – the remnants of a different time in my life. The boys were so happy and even more delighted to find toy soldiers on the window ledge of the bedroom. It was a new experience for me. For over a decade, the house was a place for Arnold, Noah, Anya and I to retreat to – mostly by ourselves.. Now, the house has a new life – I have a new life in it. I want to share it. I want others to know this retreat. But I have flashes of my old life – of seeing the past, the dog running in the field, the children setting off fireworks. Everywhere I looked I saw things that were no longer there.. That life, lived as it was, has not disappeared. It exists in a different way – not just in memory. It feels like something else – as if the place has absorbed everything, while constantly changing. What happened there exists independently of me. Does that make sense?
I keep reminding myself it is Ok to feel sad. I need to just get close to it, make it my friend, and use it to open a new window or door. Sometimes, I have the fantasy ( wrong thought) that if I just sit, these feelings will subside. They do, and they don’t. I have to feel them first, let them go, and then feel them again when they return. I remind myself that transitions are real and with each transition come feelings to explore. Sometimes, I wish it were not such demanding work.
I just graduated from school – the family and motherhood school, and am looking out into the world and wondering about my place in it. It is interesting since I always worked part time, had outside projects. Still that sense of myself as part of a family unit is strong. Could I have been less attached to it? I do not think so. I do not think I would have wanted it any other way. That life demanded a great deal. What I realize is that those demands often kept me from wondering about my world and my place in it. It was there for me, laid out like a banquet table full of food. There was always something more to do. I was either totally immersed in it or running from it. It kept me from being still. Now, in this new stillness, there are different thoughts and fears finding space at the surface. . Everyday I must live anew. It is still not easy. It may never be. It is just what it is. That’s me, today. I am not rushing towards anything. I am just here.
Emily
Emily, I am sitting here besides you feeling those tears. Thank you for being here and for sharing. The way that you share how you are feeling here always feels so real to me.
Megan
Thank you for your note. Writing on the blog has completely changed the way in which I write. I have been working on a novel/story for a year, and about a month ago, I realized that I - as the narrator was getting in my own way. When I write to the blog I don't erect any thanking her for letting me explore and discover something. I have, in my story, switched to the first person, allowing myself to get closer to my character - to press myself into her instead of standing away from her. Whether it will become a "story," or just another process is hard to know. I don't think it matters. I write because I have to.
Thank you, as always, for listening.
forgot to ask
Where are you Cam, Nico..... and all other long lost friends? How are you? If you read this, drop a line to big lonely momma.
Hello Big Lonely Mamma,
Hello Big Lonely Mamma, thanks for your post today and waking me up. I have been busy with work lately and on the weekends trying to get as much hiking in as possible before it gets too cold, catching up with old friends and spending sometime with my sister. I’ve missed everyone this week; it’s been quiet on the blog. I love most of all the stimulation from ideas and topics and the different directions my mind takes as we weave in and out of topics. It really gives me ideas to ponder in stolen pockets throughout my day or ideal moments on a subway platform or walking to pick up lunch. I constantly have printed blog posting to catch up on in my bag.
Thanks for sharing about your book. I’ve seen a clear shift in the way you write and I love the way you express yourself. Speaking from the first person will certainly make your book much more of a personal expression. Do you feel comfortable sharing what the first draft was about?
I’m here and I am for the most part doing very well. I feel very connected to myself lately. I feel good even when I don’t feel good. I am enjoying this feeling and new place of clarity even though I know that I’m not done with this journey and that I still have many dusty trunks of memories and old behaviors to unpack, process and dissolve. I just feel like I am so much more aware and in touch with it all and myself. For the first time in my life I am having a relationship with myself - a real relationship of love and compassion and true understanding and acceptance of who I am. It’s pretty neat and I love it.
I am even starting to accept that I’ll never figure out a way to be perfect at everything or have time for everyone and everything. Recently I decided I was ready to try to get pregnant again, that I am ready to give it a try. There was a point this summer that I didn’t think I would ever be able to have those thoughts again. I’m taking it slowly and even though I try not to think about it too much it is always there in the background. I’m just taking it one feeling at a time. I still get upset sometimes or catch myself watching parents with their children more closely. It seems that every third person that walks by me has a stroller or is pregnant. I wonder how different I would be feeling if I was in fact still pregnant. Sometimes I am grateful for all that the loss has taught me and for how much more I’ve learned and grown since the spring. I feel like it has given me the gift to be a more compassionate person and mother, to know how to provide a more refined kind of love. I have all the same fears that bubble up on me. My body won’t be strong enough, I haven’t saved enough, our home isn’t big enough, I won’t be good enough, I still have old trauma I haven’t worked through, my husband and I work and travel for work too much eco through my head sometimes. I know not to entertain these thoughts. I simply use them as clues to understanding my fears and to listen to them, take note, and let them dissolve. I wish I learned this recipe 20 years ago; I wish I learned it 10 years ago; I wish I even learned it 5 years ago… but I didn’t and I can’t take back those years. But what I am for sure is that I am so damn grateful that I’ve learned it now.
Nico Lime
Come out, come out where ever you are. We miss your kind words. How are you feeling?
megan, i oscillate between
megan, i oscillate between anger and forgiveness, and everything in between. i walk my neighborhood and appreciate all these beautiful things, like the changing colors of the leaves, the mild weather, the first cool autumn winds, and the particular smells of fall they carry. memories of my cross country road trip keep calling me to get on the road again, ride into the open country with the big skies. i can't forget the Teton mountains, the pacific coast on Route 1, or the many different orange and yellow heus driving out of california into the Mojave desert and Las Vegas beyond.
what are you feeling?
Nico tell me more about the open road
...memories of my cross country road trip keep calling me to get on the road again, ride into the open country with the big skies. i can't forget the Teton mountains, the pacific coast on Route 1, or the many different orange and yellow heus driving out of california into the Mojave desert and Las Vegas beyond.
This is a beautiful image the orange and yellow heus of the Mojave desert. The water calls me in the way that the open road is calling you. I once had an amazing dream that I was sitting in fetal position in a baby's tub and I turned upside down backwards and inside out into the ocean as my body reached the water my hair turned into sand and my body continued to melt into the ocean. I woke wishing I could paint so that I could capture that moment.
What is it about the open road that is calling you? Or should I say what do you feel on that open road that is comforting to you?
Megan, i like the image of
Megan, i like the image of your hair melting into sand and running into the ocean, as if you are become part of something bigger, into the enriching body of water. do you feel this way about it?
in a way, the thought of the open road makes me feel like i can change my surroundings much quicker than i would otherwise. i guess it's a round about way of getting in touch and escaping my feelings at the same time.
ps i do ride my bike to long island. now especially, the fall colors make it very nice. but the winds of fall make it much harder.
also, i have a mediteranean centipede living in my house. it's a big one and i am happy to see it run around every once in a while. i know it is eating all the other insects i don't want in my apartment. but it has to work for its keep. no free lunches in my place.
hello em
thanks for inquiring about my whereabouts. i have been drifting in and out of the blog lately. i am spending more time outside riding my bicycle in this beautiful weather. work has been really busy too, so i haven't been able to blog and get paid at the same time. bummer!!!!!
i would ask you how you are but i guess you already answered that question in your previous posts, so i will go check them out.
see you later, big lonely mamma.
hello!
Thank you lonely mamma for calling out to me. I've missed you!
I don't know where to begin it's been so long! I don't even have any sort of excuse or juicy reason for being gone or much to show for it. It was summer, I was out a lot, I got sucked up into the drama of the current political and economic showdowns, I'm not sure. Until recently, I was reading along with all your posts, wanting to respond but not quite finding the words. And now I have fallen behind in my reading as well, and don't know where to jump into the discussion. Emily and Megan, I loved your recent posts about the transitions you are both going through and the attention you are giving to it and yourselves. There are some very interesting parallels there. And Nico, what is this about forgiving? do share more!
Despite my lack of holding up my side of the conversation, I am here in spirit always and hope to get back into writing and relating now that fall is settling in. Although I was sad to see summer go--I've always had a hard time with letting go :)-- I'm kind of happy that it's transitioning into Fall and Winter, a time to go inside and contemplate. I have some things I need to stir up as well. The desire for relationship is always there, as well as the pressing need for change in my work life, perhaps a new direction entirely. It scares me. I have been wanting to sit more too, which still is difficult for me to make into a daily practice. I love hearing about Em and Megan's relationships with their cushions or attempts to meditate underneath their desks!
so here I am.
How are you guys all doing?
of squirrels and nuts
hello, camila, good to see you on the block again. i was wondering when you would come out and play again. i haven't sorted out all the forgiveness stuff but when i do i will let you know.
the last couples of weeks, when riding my bicycle to long island, i have been noticing a lot of squirrel road kill. i wondered why so many in such a short period of time. then today, while riding my bicycle in flushing meadows park, i kept seeing all these squirrels, many looked young, looking to nuts, finding nuts, and then running around with nuts in their mouths as they crossed my path. it dawned on me that they are out gathering nuts for the winter, and that many of them are leaving their safety zones to go far ans wide for the nuts, so they are getting run over by the cars. also, i believe, this is new to the young squirrels and they don't know how to work traffic so they get killed.
i can't help but draw the parallel with the squirrels leaving their safety zones to find nuts and me leaving my apartment to find more relationships and experiences. somehow, though, i have a better deal because the odds of me getting run over while looking for a nut are pretty low.
Go see
the movie, Rachel Gets Married. Pretty Amazing.
Will write more later.
HOUSE IS NOT A HOME: INSIDE THE DREAM
PART I
Nowhere, Beloved, will world be but within us. Our life
passes in transformation. And the external
shrinks into less and less. Where once an enduring house was,
now a cerebral structure crosses our path, completely
belonging to the realm of concepts, as though it
still stood in the brain.
-- Rilke Seventh Duino Elegy
I don’t know if I mentioned, but I love dreams. People must think I’m strange because I ask people about their dreams all day long. You would think I’m a shrink. But, I can’t help myself; I enter into this very unique world as if in a… well, dream. I often find myself calling dreams poems and vice versa. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, this withinwarding of mine opening up to incommensurate beauty and mystery and, ultimately, meaning. Meaning. That word again.
The dream speaks to (and of) inner language, the insideness of consciousness that, ultimately, has neither an in nor an out. No temporality, no spatiality and yet, the dream mimics in a kaleidoscopic way the world our consciousnesses together and separately constructs (with)in time and space. And it is how the dream unfolds that points to and guides us to(ward) what our conscious waking life refuses to fully reveal: our subjectivity and the freedom from suffering it holds.
Despite the content and reams of images the dream proffers, it is the emotional resonance we seek, the feeling(s) the dream evokes. Only through our emotional centers – and the dream will show us how – will the integrity of our personal evolution lift us out of the perils of estrangement and isolation.
Yesterday, one of my friends shared a most interesting dream. What made the dream particularly interesting was its dimensionality, the way it played with reflexivity to reveal mind’s innate relativity; that is, that it constructs reality as opposed to finding or discovering it (the dream’s “technique” was a dream-within-a-dream). It also reflects mind’s depth and the deep-rootedness of conflict. My friend, the dreamer, from what he shares, in general is attempting to move through early trauma the consequences of which, to a large degree, left him emotionally split off from his experiences (which simply means isolated). What this means now is, as he would describe it, becoming more integrated. And indeed, this dream depicts, imagistically, meaningfully, and I would even say, syntactically, a narrative theme of which is integration. Here’s an excerpt:
He is walking through a “creepy” town with a beautiful woman (who, in reality, is an actress). They are going to see a show in some building so they decide to get an early dinner. They are at a table. The actress eats first and when she finishes, her body ends up in her soup bowl. Her entire body. She morphs into a clay-like dried up piece of flesh, and my friend scoops her body into his own soup bowl, adds water, and eats. Importantly, it feels like a “ritualized” act and, as I am to find out later, this scene is actually a dream-within-a-dream which he shares again with this woman in the basement of his mother’s house.
In just this snippet, we can see the attempt at integration my friend conveyed earlier. There is at once a separation and interdependence, moving from objectification through incorporation towards integration. The object of idealization (actress) is “taken in” as nourishment in a ritualized way to emphasize the dreamer’s symbolic commitment to his purpose, which is healing and intimacy. Interestingly, this particular actress is not well-known to the dreamer which gives her role more flexibility and range; that is, as a kind of blank screen, the dreamer can infuse more of himself in her.
My friend pointed out how coherent the dream felt, how strongly it resonated and how he felt almost more empowered because of its (or his) clarity. And clarity and understanding is the point. I analyze my own dreams and consider them as a vital part of my practice, along with meditation. The mind is cunning and it easily slips into old patterns. The dream – what I call dreamwork – is an amazing vehicle for cultivating self-awareness.
Does anyone have any dreams they’d like to share? Or share dream experiences that have felt transformative?
Hi Camila
Hi Camila, I’m doing well, sleepy this week. It is nice to see you again even if it comes with the passing of summer. I too have a hard time letting go especially to the sunlight in the mornings. It is so much more pleasurable to wake with the soft glow of sun than the coolness of night, the darkness pushing me back towards the warmth of my covers and the obscurity of my dreams. When I do not sit for a little while I always need to reintroduce myself to the process through yoga. It seems to be the only way to set my mind into the correct mind set. And then when I am sitting I start to breathe and it feels so natural and comforting. These days sitting slips me right back into myself as if I was there all along just waiting for me to slow down and see myself.
THE THEORY AND THE QUOTIDIAN
“I can’t open the damn door,” he said.
“Try using a key,” she wryly retorted.
“This Obama guy can never win, he’s too inexperienced.”
“Where has experience gotten you?”
“You are going to have to stop masturbating,” the doctor admonished his patient.
“Why?” asked his patient.
“So I can examine you.
Welcome to the everyday world of theory. We are all full of theories and spread them around like peanut butter (aha! Another theory!). Whether we express an opinion or belief, we consistently attempt to guide each other’s thoughts and behaviors. When it comes down to it, theory is about explaining phenomena in an attempt to give order to reality; or, I should say, to construct reality in an ordered way combatable to our perceptual systems. If our explanation proves true, based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, it becomes a body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that we are now able to apply to a particular subject. These explanations are also called “propositions.”
So, when we say our language is theoretical, we mean it is based on or concerned with the ideas and abstract principles (theories) relating to a particular subject. By there very nature, theories are relatively conjectural, that is, they are tentative but perhaps useful until they are found to be untrue or no longer useful. In this way, we should always approach theories or theoretical statements with suspicion, meaning with a critical eye. Some (postmodern) theorists (and I would include myself here) believe that over the course of this century there has been a progressive breakdown in the very foundations of thought as we know them (ie, the western tradition). For example, precepts such as time and space as forming what we call the present; the concrete notions of subjectivity, objectivity; scientific knowledge based on hierarchical classification systems and dichotomous categorizations (wave/particle, self/no-self, male/female, culture/nature, etc.). In psychological inquiry, the ideas of rational insight and reflective self-knowledge as privileged or, I should say, exclusive categories and notions of the unconscious as oppositionalizing discovering and inventing with regard to disturbance or what we conventionally call the “pathological” has been radically undermined.
Many individuals have been negatively affected and even traumatized by modern or “old” formulations, as Emily has pointed out in a recent post: “Perhaps, my aversion to theory, is very personal - too many years with bad therapist who had all kinds of theories about who I was - everything from bi-polar, depressed, OCD, ADD, who name it, I fit into it. In that context, theory made me feel that I was robbed of my own narrative.” Robbed by my own narrative. By her own narrative, I would surmise that Emily is referring to a particular voice or a plurivocality of voices that acts to subvert the pull toward conventionality and categorization and even traditional notions of self or what a fact might be or how it might be constituted; a kind of anti-formula, if you will, because it interrogates the repetition compulsions of propositionality; that is, it deconstructs what we take for granted as real, true, right, known, etc. This or these voices value process over product and question time’s unity, linearity and unidirectionality of its flow and so consistently penetrates the present moment.
And so, Emily isn’t averse to theory, per se, but certain kinds of theories that support the genocide and ecocide of humanity vis-à-vis their inherently destructive constructions. Scientism and the traditions of the Enlightenment are the likely culprits that cemented thought to the sufferings of what we tend to call modern thought. Exquisite visual (theoretical) narratives of this post can be found in a number of films, including `Mindwalk,’ `The Matrix,’ `Waking Dream’ ‘The French Lieutenant's Woman’ ‘What the Bleep Do We Know!?’ ‘Being John Malkovich.’
Om, what does this mean?
In psychological inquiry, the ideas of rational insight and reflective self-knowledge as priviledged or, I should say, exclusive categories and notions of the unconscious as oppositionalizing discovering and inventing with regard to disturbance or what we conventionally call "pathological" has been radically undermined.
Hi everyone. I'm still around, reading and thinking of you often. Off to yoga now.
Looking and seeing
This week, I went into Baltimore to visit with my parents and take them to the cemetery to visit my sister’s grave and the other family members who are buried there. My parents are elderly and their age shows in their bodies. My mother, who has rheumatoid arthritis, is having a challenging time right now. She is having a difficult time with balance. My father, is thin, frail and profoundly hard of hearing.
The cemetery is very far from their home, on the edge of the city, in a partly industrial and poverty-stricken neighborhood. The cemetery grounds are surrounded by a very old wrought iron fence. You enter through a thin brick archway over a very narrow driveway. Heavy gates are pushed to the side. It reminds me of entrances that I have seen to concentration camps. The cemetery was founded in 1909 and is now largely unused, except by the families who brought plots a generation or two ago. There is still empty space, but the members of the synagogue use a newer cemetery in the suburbs, closer to where the synagogue moved 50 years earlier. The cemetery is poorly maintained, but still has a comforting feel of a past where communities lived and died together. I like the decay of the older tombstones and even like seeing the ones that are chipped and leaning. It seems real – time and age, doing what it does without too much fuss.
I was standing beside my parents, supporting them from falling when I saw them (and me) in a different light.. Working with older people has always given me the illusion of ongoing youth. Even at 56, I am youngster next to the woman of 87 and the man of 91. This was suddenly gone, as if the idea was like sand running through my fingers. It has nothing to do with my age, but rather with a shift in thinking, a shift in looking, a wider opening to other. I looked at my parents (and my uncle who I went to visit). They are old, living lives that are a fraction of what they once were. The effect of time on their bodies shows everywhere. Before me were the masks of age that separated me from them. I looked at them and thought, “They are me and I am them.”
I saw in my parents and my uncle their entire lives behind the old flesh and tired bodies. I saw how age and life connects us. Like my parents I am getting older and have already reached a point where what I see when I look in the mirror is not what I see inside myself. It is, and always has been, so easy to just see the mask, feel the fear of what happens as my face and body ages and walk away without seeing the entire life that exists just on the other side. Today I have found myself looking beyond appearances in a way that is new for me. I think I have always struggled to see beyond appearances, but today there was no struggle. I saw other. I saw myself.
I picked up the phone and called to say hello to my mother.
FOR EMILY WHO LOOKS, SEES, PEERS, ABSORBS, LISTENS
Emily,
I was wondering how I could respond to your post on aging and letting go and then I thought of two of Stanley Kunitz's poems I love and which were invoked by you this evening.
Touch Me
Summer is late, my heart.
Words plucked out of the air
some forty years ago
when I was wild with love
and torn almost in two
scatter like leaves this night
of whistling wind and rain.
It is my heart that's late,
it is my song that's flown.
Outdoors all afternoon
under a gunmetal sky
staking my garden down,
I kneeled to the crickets trilling
underfoot as if about
to burst from their crusty shells;
and like a child again
marveled to hear so clear
and brave a music pour
from such a small machine.
What makes the engine go?
Desire, desire, desire.
The longing for the dance
stirs in the buried life.
One season only,
and it's done.
So let the battered old willow
thrash against the windowpanes
and the house timbers creak.
Darling, do you remember
the man you married? Touch me,
remind me who I am.
The Round
Light splashed this morning
on the shell-pink anemones
swaying on their tall stems;
down blue-spiked veronica
light flowed in rivulets
over the humps of the honeybees;
this morning I saw light kiss
the silk of the roses
in their second flowering,
my late bloomers
flushed with their brandy.
A curious gladness shook me.
So I have shut the doors of my house,
so I have trudged downstairs to my cell,
so I am sitting in semi-dark
hunched over my desk
with nothing for a view
to tempt me
but a bloated compost heap,
steamy old stinkpile,
under my window;
and I pick my notebook up
and I start to read aloud
the still-wet words I scribbled
on the blotted page:
"Light splashed . . ."
I can scarcely wait till tomorrow
when a new life begins for me,
as it does each day,
as it does each day.
Thank you for those poems
Om, thank you for posting the most beautiful poems. I felt them down to my toes.
See you in a few days.
RESPONSE TO NADINE ON THEORY
“In psychological inquiry, the ideas of rational insight and reflective self-knowledge as privileged or, I should say, exclusive categories and notions of the unconscious as oppositionalizing discovering and inventing with regard to disturbance or what we conventionally call "pathological" has been radically undermined.”
It is hard to be inspired by Buddhist philosophy and not recognize its compatibility to both philosophies of deconstruction and intersubjective phenomenology (hermeneutics), both of which I will not discuss here. I mention these two examples only to suggest that postmodern thought is neither post nor modern when closely examining Buddhist philosophy (at least the philosophy of Nagarjuna of whom I spoke about here on the blog). The language is ostensibly different but the underlying ideas are remarkable similar. All, for example, take their theories straight to the heart of consciousness and examine the nature of mind, while refuting the notion of absolutism, at least as far as I can tell. And the western theories ride on the edge if not enter the realm of nondualism, where Buddhism resides. In short, postmodern theories question the fundamentality of conventional thought and objective reality; that is, the way most people think and relate with and to the world surround. Ironically, the word for modern thought is “rational.” Rational thought suggests that it is possible to have accurate knowledge and access to phenomena, mental and physical. If this is true, then one would be able to discern the difference between what is true and untrue, real and unreal, good and bad, and all other dichotomous (dual) polarities.
Three important points emerge from this erroneous belief in rational objective thought: 1) someone (authority) must be the arbiter of what is true; 2) because phenomena could have an essence (inherently existent), they must be independent and permanent. We know from our discussions on the Buddhist tenet of emptiness that this can be logically refuted. And 3) objectivity is possible.
“In psychological inquiry, the ideas of rational insight and reflective self-knowledge as privileged or, I should say, exclusive categories and notions of the unconscious as oppositionalizing discovering and inventing with regard to disturbance or what we conventionally call "pathological" has been radically undermined.”
And so, when we speak of psychological inquiry, we are referring to mind, language and unconscious processes which, historically, since Freud’s systematic elaboration of psychoanalysis, privileged rational thought and reflective self-knowledge as curative entities, because they aligned with what science and patriarchal power structures deemed curative. That is, “cure” in this context means adjusting to what is deemed normal and rational.
Further, when we ascribe to the idea of “pathology,” for example, we necessarily align our thinking and thoughts and awareness and worldview to what institutionalized authority has conditionally convinced us is absolute and true.
Emily
Emily
Om. Om. OM
Thank you. Your latest post on theory, and your understanding of my relationship to theory hits the spot. It is only 8:47 am and I feel as if I just nibbled on my favorite chocolate bar. I see what you are saying and I see that you see what I was feeling.
I am going to West Va tomorrow and will be back sometime on Monday. Hope to post before I leave. Hugs to all.
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アディダス社は1920年に西ドイツのアドルフとルドルフのダスラー兄弟がアディダス シューズ靴製造会社「ダスラー兄弟社」を設立したアディダスオリジナルスのが始まり。兄のルドルフが販売、アディダス スニーカーアドルフが生産を主に担当。1924年にスポーツシューズアディダス 靴製造工場を建設し、体育館用シューズを本格的に作り始めた。アディダス ランニングシューズ 1948年、兄弟の意見対立により「ダスラー兄弟商会」を解消、アディダス アウトレットアドルフがアディダス社を設立しその後も製品技術向上を目指し改良を重ね、アディダス 通販世界でも有数のスポーツ用品メーカーへと成長した。アディダス CC ライド 誰もが知っている伝統的な「スリーストライプス(三本線）」は、1948年にアドルフ・ダスラーが初めてスーパースター 靴スポーツシューズに使用したことから誕生。アディダス スーパースター メンズ翌年アディダスの商標として登録された。またアディダスには、『アディダス スーパースター』、『セダンスミス』、『スタンスミス』、『カントリー』アディダス レディース、『トップサラ』、『プレデター』といったオリジナルロングセラー商品も多く、アディダス スタンスミスアディダスの靴の人気の高さを示している。 世界で一番売れたアディダスランニング、シューズのメーカーであるアディダス。アディダス ジェレミースコット ギネスブックにも載った名品スタンスミスを初め、スーパースターやカントリーなど、アディダス JS(adidas)の時代を築いてきたスニーカーたちは特に有名です。アディダス トップテン東京オリンピックでは、出場選手の10人中8人はアディダス ランソンを履いていたといわれる程、実績ある名ブランドです。アディダス コートスターサッカーシューズやジョギング、ランニングシューズとしてはもちろんアディダス アディライズ ミッドプロバスケットやオリンピック選手等からも非常に高い評価を得てきたシューズがアディダス(adidas)です。アディダス ハードランド サッカー日本代表のユニフォームもこのアディダス フォーラム ミッド が担当。その品質の良さは文句なしのアディダス スーパースター レディース世界レベルです。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ首相は、仲井真氏との会談に向け「まず、これまでの経緯を踏まえたおわびと日米協議への私の決意をお伝えしたい」と記者団に述べた。グッチ バッグ さらに在沖縄米海兵隊のグアム移転や沖縄県中南部の５米軍施設.区域の返還を、普天間飛行場移設と切り離して先行実施する日米方針や、グッチ 財布沖縄振興策の具体化を挙げ、「沖縄の負担軽減を早期に図り、普天間の危険性を一刻も早く除去しないといけない」と強調。「辺野古（移設）に言及する」と明言した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ首相は、仲井真氏との会談に向け「まず、これまでの経緯を踏まえたおわびと日米協議への私の決意をお伝えしたい」と記者団に述べた。グッチ バッグ さらに在沖縄米海兵隊のグアム移転や沖縄県中南部の５米軍施設.区域の返還を、普天間飛行場移設と切り離して先行実施する日米方針や、グッチ 財布沖縄振興策の具体化を挙げ、「沖縄の負担軽減を早期に図り、普天間の危険性を一刻も早く除去しないといけない」と強調。「辺野古（移設）に言及する」と明言した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ野田佳彦首相は２６日、就任後初めて沖縄県を訪問し、グッチ バッグ 糸満市の平和祈念公園や「ひめゆりの塔」など戦跡を視察した。首相は那覇市内のホテルで記者団に対し、グッチ 財布仲井真弘多（ひろかず）知事との２７日午前の会談では、米軍普天間飛行場（沖縄県宜野湾市）の「県外移設」を撤回したことなどを陳謝するとともに、同飛行場の名護市辺野古への移設に理解を求める考えを示した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ野田佳彦首相は２６日、就任後初めて沖縄県を訪問し、グッチ バッグ 糸満市の平和祈念公園や「ひめゆりの塔」など戦跡を視察した。首相は那覇市内のホテルで記者団に対し、グッチ 財布仲井真弘多（ひろかず）知事との２７日午前の会談では、米軍普天間飛行場（沖縄県宜野湾市）の「県外移設」を撤回したことなどを陳謝するとともに、同飛行場の名護市辺野古への移設に理解を求める考えを示した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ首相は、仲井真氏との会談に向け「まず、これまでの経緯を踏まえたおわびと日米協議への私の決意をお伝えしたい」と記者団に述べた。グッチ バッグ さらに在沖縄米海兵隊のグアム移転や沖縄県中南部の５米軍施設.区域の返還を、普天間飛行場移設と切り離して先行実施する日米方針や、グッチ 財布沖縄振興策の具体化を挙げ、「沖縄の負担軽減を早期に図り、普天間の危険性を一刻も早く除去しないといけない」と強調。「辺野古（移設）に言及する」と明言した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ野田佳彦首相は２６日、就任後初めて沖縄県を訪問し、グッチ バッグ 糸満市の平和祈念公園や「ひめゆりの塔」など戦跡を視察した。首相は那覇市内のホテルで記者団に対し、グッチ 財布仲井真弘多（ひろかず）知事との２７日午前の会談では、米軍普天間飛行場（沖縄県宜野湾市）の「県外移設」を撤回したことなどを陳謝するとともに、同飛行場の名護市辺野古への移設に理解を求める考えを示した。
グッチ バッグ
グッチ首相は、仲井真氏との会談に向け「まず、これまでの経緯を踏まえたおわびと日米協議への私の決意をお伝えしたい」と記者団に述べた。グッチ バッグ さらに在沖縄米海兵隊のグアム移転や沖縄県中南部の５米軍施設.区域の返還を、普天間飛行場移設と切り離して先行実施する日米方針や、グッチ 財布沖縄振興策の具体化を挙げ、「沖縄の負担軽減を早期に図り、普天間の危険性を一刻も早く除去しないといけない」と強調。「辺野古（移設）に言及する」と明言した。