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Thanks Bodhi and welcome to our blog. This picture was a happy accident I put him on the floor to help with jaundice and took a picture on my phone. I have spent a lot of time looking at it myself it feels so pure and reminds me to just come back to the light when it is so much harder to be present than I thought it would be with the compounding effects of lack of sleep. You bring up some very interesting points of discussion in your recent posts. Once I get enough sleep to think clearly again I'll jump back in. Until then I've been enjoying peaking in and watching the dialogue unfold. Take care. - Megan
Megan, thanks for the welcome. I must admit most of the time I am in awe of the insights you all share with such ease. I shall look forward to your jumping back in and tossing around a few thoughts with you, however, I hate to dampen your hopes for more sleep, that day may be years away. It might be easier to simply get used to extended periods of sleep deprivation. For now take care and enjoy every moment you have with your precious son and remember when little ones nap that means Moms get to rest too. Hope to meet you on this path again soon. Bodhi
Megan, thanks for the welcome. I must admit most of the time I am in awe of the insights you all share with such ease. I shall look forward to your jumping back in and tossing around a few thoughts with you, however, I hate to dampen your hopes for more sleep, that day may be years away. It might be easier to simply get used to extended periods of sleep deprivation. For now take care and enjoy every moment you have with your precious son and remember when little ones nap that means Moms get to rest too. Hope to meet you on this path again soon. Bodhi
Om, I heard you'll be running a workshop upstate on distinguishing between psychological and spiritual levels of awareness. In your description, you specifically spoke of the distinction between "magical thinking and more integrated levels of spiritual awareness."
There is clearly a difference, but I'm not sure I'm know exactly what it is. If we allow ourselves some space beyond the confines of western scientism, what exactly is "magic" anyway? Since existence is empty, can any occurrence really be impossible? I totally get the fallacy of "quick fix" thinking and steer well clear of that. But sometimes I encounter other ideas that I am extremely skeptical of. For example, recently I met a woman who said she felt that she could "vibrationally take" certain plants, like echinacea, because she had spent so much time relating to and meditating with these plants that she had come to understand their awareness, or vibration, and could manifest the change they created in her body without physically consuming anything. I don't mean psychoactives, but medicinal herbs. I found myself extremely skeptical, but as I've thought about it, I can't really justify my skepticism beyond my culturally inherited attachment to materialism. I don't need convincing that plants have awareness, in fact to me everything has awareness and sentience. But concerning the non-physical aspect, manifesting a specific bio-chemical reaction via focused meditation, I found myself much less sure. Is that magical thinking? If you could do that, why not just "vibrationally eat?" The basic claim seems to be that given certain levels of awareness and via persistent practice and study, we can learn to willfully bend the physical constrictions of embodiment. That sounds a lot like magic to me, but I then I have no good reason to reject the notion, except that it has not been part of my own experience.
So again, how do you make the distinction between integrated levels of spiritual awareness and magical thinking?
Noah, as always, thank you for your penetrating and thoughtful questions. The first thing I consider critical in making this distinction is development. Evolution pervades all of consciousness and, I think it safe to say, the evolution of consciousness is recapitulated in human development. That is, following evolutionary science, a larger metaphysical vision comes to light in which the cosmological process of evolution is consistently revealed in stages evolving from inanimate matter (physiosphere) through life (biosphere) and mind (noosphere) to spirit. In the human being, we can find all these stages unfolding from atoms, molecules, cells, organs, language, and consciousness.
Similarly, in cognitive development, Ken Wilber argues the distinction between what he calls prerational (or prepersonal) states of awareness and transrational (or transpersonal) states in understanding the nature of higher (or deeper) spiritual states of consciousness or awareness. Were most people get confused is in the fact that both prerational states and transrational states seem identical, the outcome of which are two fallacies:
In the first, all higher, authentic transrational states are reduced to lower, prerational states. “Genuine mystical or contemplative experiences, for example, are seen as a regression or throwback to egocentric, infantile states.”
The second fallacy is “sympathetic with higher or mystical states, but one still confuses pre and trans, then one will elevate all prerational states to some sort of transrational glory (the infantile primary narcissism, for example, is seen as an unconscious slumbering in the mystico unio).” Both the first (reductionistic) and second (elevationist) fallacies lack any sort of integration, which is the keystone in grasping transrational states. New Ageism is represented by the second, elevationist perspective, which refutes anything rational. By the way, it’s usually in the elevationist perspective where we would witness magical thinking, the belief that one’s thoughts, words, or actions can exert more power or influence over events than one actually has. We say “magical” because it’s unique to early stages of cognitive development (in which I will soon describe) where a sense omnipotence reigns—“the world is an extension of the emotional [and perceptual] self.”) My particular interest in the Buddhist philosophy of Nagarjuna is that it is supremely rational! It is truly a phenomenology of very very deep logic in which the regressions, distortions, and delusions of mind are logically interrogated and confirmed by the direct experience of prolonged meditation (as opposed to an authoritarian edict).
Wilber’s very detailed psychological theory of life-span development incorporates higher, transpersonal structures mostly ignored in Western psychology.
Simply, Wilber sees development moving through 9 stages, which determine the predominant orientation of consciousness. Following a conventional scientific model, development proceeds as the individual differentiates a new stage from a previous one. Most important, stage development means transcend but include previous stages. For example, though my relational orientation is primarily linguistic, I am embodied and thus still relate on a physical level, as well. In fact, from a nondual perspective, body and mind are merely two aspects (perspectives) of consciousness.
Okay, so here are Wilber’s stages. I’ll quote it at length because it’s an excellent description, which I think will adequately address your question:
“The first level is the prepersonal. In the prepersonal level the child develops the first rudimentary ego or mind. At (1), the Sensoriphysical Stage, the child is not differentiated from the physical world; the child is the sensorium of experience and their purely material interactions with it. As the child differentiates the physical body from the materiality of the world and of its mother, he or she develops an internal world of desires, wishes and images that are often not differentiated from the objects of those same images. This is (2), the Phantasmal-Emotional Stage. It is narcissistic: the world is an extension of the emotional self.
With development into the personal levels the child can be said to have a mind. I think that what Wilber means by "personal" can be equated with what I am calling "ego." From images, the child develops to the capacity to have symbols. With symbols, the child can construct concepts. With the birth of the mental at (3), the Representational Mind Stage, the child can separate the mental from the bodily, and therefore can control it (and repress it).
The next of the personal levels is what Wilber calls (4), the Role/Rule Stage. The child can combine and coordinate concepts into rules that govern behaviour. The child is able to internalize these rules of behaviour by identifying with them. These rules and norms can become scripts by which the child guides his or her behaviour. Conventional moral judgment and behaviour follow from this capacity. The child is also capable of assuming roles and seeing how their actions appear from the perspective of others.
Whereas at the Role/Rule Stage, the child is identified with the conventional norms of their social world, with development into (5), the Formal/Reflexive Stage, the child can see such conventional norms from the outside, as it were, taking a perspective on them, so that he or she can think about thinking. This is the distinguishing characteristic of the Formal/Reflexive Stage: thinking can take its own products as objects. With this capacity, the individual–probably now an adolescent–develops self-chosen ideals, morals, beliefs, and ideologies. The adolescent can reflect on, choose and change their identities, often adopting an attitude of critical distance from sanctioned role identities and rules that earlier had regulated behaviour.
The final stage of the personal is (6), the Vision-Logic Stage. Wilber often calls this stage centauric because it is based on an integration of mind and body not previously attained. Wilber holds that the reason mind and body are capable at this stage of being integrated is because consciousness is now no longer exclusively identified with mind as it had been in previous stages; it now has a perspective on both mind and body, and can integrate them in a higher level of consciousness.
While the centauric possesses well-being, greater authenticity, and is re-oriented in more organismic and existential ways, not all of the emotions and feelings that are available at this stage are positive or comforting. Many of the experiences at this stage are described in bleak and somber tones, because in many respects, this stage is the one most characterized as full of angst or dread.
I have made the focus of this presentation the Vision-Logic Stage. With development into the transpersonal stages, the individual transcends both ego and representational mind. They begin to step off the wheel of samsara. These stages are more or less unique to the East, at least not described in most Western psychologies. Wilber draws upon descriptions of advanced spiritual development found in Buddhist and Hindu Vedanta scriptures. The first transpersonal stage Wilber calls (7) the Psychic. It is characterized by nature mysticism; often called the Path of the Yogis. The second transpersonal stage is (8) the Subtle: it is characterized by deity mysticism and called the Path of the Saints. The third transpersonal stage is (9) the Causal: it is characterized by monistic mysticism and called the Path of the Sages. After this stage, the individual transcends all stages and attains non-dual mysticism, which absorbs all that had gone before. To the reader, these names may be nothing more than words without content: words pointing to a moon they have never seen in the daytime existence of their lives. Perhaps a metaphor might help.
Noah, I realized that I didn’t address your specific example of the woman who “felt that she could “vibrationally take” certain plants…because she had spent so much time relating to and meditating with these plants that she had come to understand their awareness, or vibration, and could manifest the change they created in her body without physically consuming anything.”
What I immediately notice in this example is the language, more specifically, the shaping of language to 1) ascribe to certain phenomena (eg, plants) certain properties or characteristics (eg, “awareness”); and, 2) imply that certain phenomena (eg, vibration) have capacities (eg, physiological change) beyond their ontological level (eg, energetic). And so, before we can discuss whether magical thinking applies here, we have to first discern what we are attempting to describe and the propositions that either support or negate the descriptions. For example, I have a very interesting book called `Vibrational Medicine,’ by Richard Gerber, that says: “A system of medicine which denies or ignores its existence (spirit) will be incomplete because it leaves out the most fundamental quality of human existence, the spiritual dimension.” Further, he points out, that “the tissues which compose our physical form are fed not only by oxygen, glucose, and chemical nutrients, but also by higher vibrational energies which endow the physical form with properties of life and expression.” These are the subtle energies of certain plants, for example, that have healing properties.
Notice how I’m opening up and elaborating on the example you have provided and giving it a more relevant context from which to examine its meaning. When we talk about “vibration” within the context of subtle energy systems, for example, we then enter into another kind of epistemology or knowing, what Merleau-Ponty, for example, calls “knowledge by acquaintance,” that is, a knowledge through direct experience replicated by a number of practitioners accompanied by a “knowledge of description,” which is propositional knowledge (eg, that the energic properties of certain plants can create specific changes in the body).
From the context of energy systems, a number of older science-based medical fields can be invoked, for example, Chinese Medicine and Ayurvedic Medicine, both of which have thousands of years behind their research. And so, to “vibrationally take” certain plants for medicinal purposes, though still implausible, gives us the opportunity to better explore and test the merits of such claims because we aren’t clear by our language exactly what that means. Can energy create physiological change within the time period required for physiological sustenance or healing? I have never heard of evidence that would suggest this. Whether this woman is thinking “magically” is likely, though hard to discern given the little information we have. My point is that magical thinking is not determined by conventional constructions of reality alone, the scientific method being included. It is based on erroneous beliefs in one’s perceptual and conceptual capacities without sufficient contrary evidence. It is also based on erroneous reasoning, using language in ways that distort one’s understanding of phenomena.
When you say, “plants have awareness” or “sentience,” I’m not sure what that means. I would agree that plants have prehensive qualities, but I wouldn’t say they have awareness in the way higher animals have awareness. Using language in this way potentially leads to magical thinking, in that it loses a certain precision required to accurately match an intersubjective reasoning, reasoning that takes shape in the actual world of experience with and toward others.
Thanks for your response to my question. I understand the distinction you are making, and I think we're on the same page.
I also appreciate you pointing out the imprecision in saying something like "plants have awareness," and I don't mean to suggest an awareness like that of animals of persons. Though I would think that prehension, or prehensive qualities reflect a definite level of consciousness. It may be more appropriate to say that I feel any landscape has, via the intangible relating of its innumerable prehensive aspects, physically and energetically, a responsive form of consciousness, which we are able to recognize instinctually on a visceral level , rationally on an aesthetic and mechanical level, and 'transrationally' when these understandings are integrated with a deep body-mind awareness. Here we feel the most potent sense of connection and integration with the surrounding space, emotionally and spiritually, so that we see our self as both part of the larger environment and profoundly related with it.
In this state of awareness, I find myself attuned to the mutuality of touch. I feel that as I touch a tree or a rock, or any feature of my surroundings, I am also being touched. That my “feeling” of these Others is equally their feeling of me, not as separate subjects—I don’t see a plant as having interiority per se, or mental function—but more in the sense that there is awareness forming between us; and that awareness always takes on a particular character or mood, a particular way of knowing, which is informed by the Other that is co-creating the feeling between us.
Further, I have noticed that my own internal state undergoes subtle changes as I relate to different Others. Much like the way we shift as we relate to other people, the way their personalities evoke different responses, so too do I feel this way about the non-human world. You might call this a type of animism, an inspiriting of non-thinking objects. Think of it as listening to music. In the same way that hearing a piece of music might draw one into an different state of feeling, so it is with this animistic world of spirit. In my body, it feels like a openness in the heart through which subtle and mysterious information enters. It is an exquisite sense of mutuality and awe, of stillness and receptivity. It is another way of speaking and listening, with the relatedness of language, but less abstracted and more direct, less comprehensible but more immediate.
It is not something I understand well; there is both a primalcy to it, but equally an open and elevated sense of communion. Perhaps the former is a sort of pre-linguistic affectation, and the latter a post linguistic one. And so in this I can certainly see the potential to confuse pre-rational and trans-rational states of awareness.
After your explication, I still feel that my puzzlement over this person’s nonphysical consumption of plants is correct, and that it is probably a form of “magical thinking.” But for me, it is so because is perpetuates a sort of separateness between the energetic / spirited and physical levels of reality. I experience both, when I am of the right (silent) mind, together. Spirit, as I have seen, lives as flesh. I don’t understand why one would to try to pass over the physical, for the substantial seems to be the very property in which the insubstantial resides.
You packed a lot in here and I would say I agree with, and even more, appreciate everything you say. This Whiteheadian notion of prehension is a most fascinating one in reconciling the body/mind division (dualism) in Western philosophy. You seem to situate yourself squarely in the center of Whiteheadian process philosophy and would indeed be considered a panpychist. For you, Noah (and I agree), relationships are primary and constituted in relationships; and that is true of individual human beings as well as any other phenomena. From this perspective, what we call causality is actually an intersubjective experience of shared meaning: “I feel that as I touch a tree or a rock, or any feature of my surroundings, I am also being touched. That my “feeling” of these Others is equally their feeling of me, not as separate subjects—I don’t see a plant as having interiority per se, or mental function—but more in the sense that there is awareness forming between us; and that awareness always takes on a particular character or mood, a particular way of knowing, which is informed by the Other that is co-creating the feeling between us.” That is radical!
Our discussion on whether plants have “awareness” or “feeling” recalls for me a prickly debate between Ken Wilber and Christian De Quincey. The debate had to do with the term “panpsychism,” which, according to De Quincey, is the view that “the fundamental units of reality are “moments of experience.” Every individual actuality [phenomenon] is experiential , possessing interiority or feeling. Mind or consciousness goes all the way down to quanta or quarks or whatever might lie beyond.” P. 301
Wilber’s argument is as follows:
“I accept the Whitehead/Griffin version of prehension (as far as it goes), but I state a personal preference: "I accept the notion of Whitehead (Hartshorne, Griffin) that we can picture 'prehension' as perhaps the earliest form of interiors (every interior touches--prehends--an exterior at some point, since interior and exterior mutually arise), but when that prehension is explained in terms such as feeling or emotion, I believe that is overdoing it."
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There are two reasons that I accept "prehension" but not "feelings" as a name for the interiors that go all the way down. De Quincey's authoritative assertion is that I reject the word "feelings" because I am out of touch with mine, and therefore I cannot see the truth of his position. But I maintain that I don't use the term "feeling" because: … [the reason] I try not to characterize or qualify the nature of interiors is that ultimately (and here I am switching from a relative to an absolute form of argument a la Madhymaka), the interiors of each holon open directly onto radical, absolute, unqualifiable Spirit or pure Emptiness, so that the interior of each holon acts as an opening or clearing in which other holons can emerge, so that all holons are mutually arising in the clearing that they mutually supply for each other.” (This is also the ground meaning or ultimate meaning of intersubjectivity, which exists alongside the four or five others.)”
A very difficult way of saying that, if we claim all phenomena have feelings, we potentially fall into a propositional(and thus, perceived) trap of a type of idealism that fails to recognize the ultimate interreleatedness of ALL phenomena, which we call emptiness. And so, if we can’t speak of real existence, we cannot speak of non-existence either. Wilber seems to be saying that De Quincey’s position somehow undermines the nonduality of emptiness though, I must be honest, I am inferring far more than I should here given Wilber’s abstruseness.
My concern about conflating different categories or ontologies is psychological, that is, it potentially undermines the development of self-awareness, and so, ultimately, spiritual awareness. But you beautifully (and poetically, of course) address this concern:
“Though I would think that prehension, or prehensive qualities reflect a definite level of consciousness. It may be more appropriate to say that I feel any landscape has, via the intangible relating of its innumerable prehensive aspects, physically and energetically, a responsive form of consciousness, which we are able to recognize instinctually on a visceral level , rationally on an aesthetic and mechanical level, and 'transrationally' when these understandings are integrated with a deep body-mind awareness. Here we feel the most potent sense of connection and integration with the surrounding space, emotionally and spiritually, so that we see our self as both part of the larger environment and profoundly related with it.”
Noah, this is one of best definitions of spirituality I have seen and I’m going to use it in my workshop!
Your mention of animism recalls for me Rilke, whose mystical presence in the word is completely infused with animism. I wrote a couple of essays on Rilke’s animism, in which I describe Rilke’s spirituality as emphasizing “the creative imagination as that position from which God can be realized. The artist for Rilke makes things and so reminds us of God’s creative beauty. Beauty for Rilke is an aesthetization of spiritual awakening and can be witnessed in all of life. He says, “there is much beauty here, because everywhere there is much beauty.” But, he also tells us we must begin within:
`You are looking outside, and that is what you should most avoid right now. No one can advise or help you - no one. There is only one thing you should do. Go into yourself. Find out the reason that commands you to write; see whether it has spread its roots into the very depths of your heart; confess to yourself whether you would have to die if you were forbidden to write. This most of all: ask yourself in the most silent hour of your night: must I write? Dig into yourself for a deep answer. And if this answer rings out in assent, if you meet this solemn question with a strong, simple "I must," then build your life in accordance with this necessity; your while life, even into its humblest and most indifferent hour, must become a sign and witness to this impulse.’
Letters To A Young Poet-Rilke
Rilke, as a young man, was the great sculptor, Auguste Rodin's secretary and went on tour, so to speak, to promote Rodin's work. Rilke's brilliance and the mysticism that evolved through his animistic religiosity already began to take form in an essay he wrote on Rodin.
“Reflecting on my task, however, it has become clear to me that I have not come before you to speak of people, but rather of things.
Things. When I say the word (are you listening?), it grows silent; the silence that
surrounds things. All motion subsides and becomes contour, and something
permanent is formed from the past and the future: space, the great calm of things, liberated from desire."
`Auguste Rodin' by Ranier Maria Rilke (p.68)
We begin with a metaphysics on space and time. “The silence that surrounds things. All motion subsides and becomes contour [surface].” The silence that surrounds things is consciousness, spirit wrapping its arms around things found and things made, like a mother nourishing its essence and so giving it form. And it is the silence that brings us closer to the essence, for silence is the dimension of spirit. Silence is God’s first language. But, it is a specific type of silence, a silence nestled in a stillness that unlayers the motion of time. Time ceases in the stillness and is thus relegated to the surface of things. When time is unraveled from the surface of space, space, in all its unadornment, is “liberated from desire.” In the silent stillness, desire meets Awareness and dissolves, along with even space, into its ineffable, uncreated, infinite eternality. It is that moment of union, when space touches silence in “the great calm of things,” that realization occurs. Rilke’s mysticism senses the connection between time and eternity, space and infinity: “something permanent is formed from the past and future.” His is an inverted sense of what we now know as things (phenomena) being formed in the dimension of space/time. Rilke’s linguistic conflation belies the intuition revealed within his words: that space is not space itself; it is the spacelessness of Being (liberated from desire) from which all things arise, including space (the great calm of things) and time (past and future) and matter (things). In this context, “something permanent” refers to form and the beauty (essence) emanating through its surface in either image or word.”
No, you do not feel it growing silent. The word “things” means nothing to you—too much and thus too ordinary—and passes right by. And in this sense it is good that I have evoked childhood; perhaps this sense of something precious, something associated with many memories, can help me bring this word home to you. -- Rilke
Rilke’s touch is deeply therapeutic and guiding, like a light coming out of dark space from which your curiosity of its mystery impels you to follow. Rilke is a poet of mystery and so is a mystical presence. He
elevates the ordinary through the senses and textually places “Things” atop his essay so as to illustrate his spiritual notion of space, or through linguistic productions. This is the utterance of something beyond that which is being stated, what the philosopher of hermeneutics, Gadamer, calls Ereignis, an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were.” Works of Art “stand in themselves’ and “are only truly there in our coming back to them.”
One does not possess the meaning of a work of art in a kind of way that would allow one to speak of a transfer of meaning (referring to Heidegger’s definition of the beautiful as “the sensuous appearing of the idea”). The meaning of a work of art can never be simply transferred. A work of art must itself be there…. You cannot substitute something else for it…. When a work of art truly takes hold of us, it is not an object that stands opposite us which we look at in hope of seeing through it to an intended conceptual meaning. Just the reverse. The work is an Ereignis—an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, it knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were. Works of Art “stand in themselves” and “are only truly there in their coming back to them.”
One does not possess the meaning of a work of art in a kind of way that would allow one to speak of a transfer of meaning (referring to Heidegger’s definition of the beautiful as “the sensuous appearing of the idea”). The meaning of a work of art can never be simply transferred. A work of art must itself be there…. You cannot substitute something else for it…. When a work of art truly takes hold of us, it is not an object that stands opposite us which we look at in hope of seeing through it to an intended conceptual meaning. Just the reverse. The work is an Ereignis—an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, it knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were.
--Gadamer p. 71
Like Rilke, Gadamer emphasizes the intersubjective (relational) space from where the counterplay between intended meaning and self-expression converge in relationship. But, there is at the same time the resistance of the aesthetic object, necessarily because it is an experience of meaning, a meaning which can only be brought out by understanding. And, according to Rilke, this experience is spawned in childhood. The “something precious” that is beheld directly affects the child by what it says; through the encounter the child is forced to think again and again what is being said.
“No, you do not feel it growing silent. The word “things” means nothing to you—too much and thus too ordinary—and passes right by. And in this sense it is good that I have evoked childhood; perhaps this sense of something precious, something associated with many memories, can help me bring this word home to you.”
It is the play of creative imagination that grows in the silence, that sees the extraordinary in the “too ordinary” thing. Rilke intuitively understands the power of memory and how things evoked are truly there in our coming back to them. It is as if we had left them in the shadows of our youth and, like a loyal companion, they were awaiting us.
“If possible, I ask you to return with your mature, refined sensibility to one of the things that was most familiar to you as a child. Try to remember if there was anything in the world that was closer, more familiar, and more necessary than this thing. Was it not the case that everything else in the world could cause you pain or treat you badly, frightening you with pain and confusing you with uncertainty? If kindness, trust, and the sense of not being alone could be counted among your earliest experiences, do you not owe it to that thing? Was it not with a thing the first time you shared your little heart like a piece of bread that would have to suffice for two?”
This is a truly remarkable statement for the young Rilke, for almost half a century later the psychoanalyst D.W. Winnicott, in perhaps his most famous concept, stated what Rilke had already conceived:
“According to Winnicott, the child initially makes no distinction between inner desires and outer reality, experiencing the mother's breast (or the bottle) as part of its inner reality that magically appears when needed. In Winnicott's account, as the mother becomes less adapted to the infant's needs, the child begins to experience the frustration of failure and the beginnings of a transition to the recognition of the autonomy of outer objects. This is assisted by a transitional object, a bit of blanket, toy, or cloth that is under the infant's control and is reliably present when needed. The transitional object opens the realm of play, where real objects are incorporated into the world of make-believe over which the child has some control, a realm which is not challenged by the question: "Did you conceive of this, or was it presented to you from without?" (Winnicott, p. 12) The realm of play is immensely exciting because it is precarious, an interplay of personal psychic reality and the experience of control of actual objects. It is "an intermediate area of experiencing , to which inner reality and external life both contribute." (Winnicott. p.2) .."a resting place for the individual engaged in the perpetual human task of keeping inner and outer reality separate yet interrelated." a shared illusory experience.”
How well Rilke understands the child and the child’s world of things, the “transitional objects” that reach up like flowers through mind’s desire and its need for both safety and stimulation. What Rilke had not fully known, however, was what also preserved the purity of his animistic vision: that it was language and not the thing “in its Being and its outward appearance” that “made you familiar with thousands of things by playing thousands of roles.” Rilke’s was a nature mysticism, an immersion within nature where a full sense of self has not yet been developed. Yet, it was this same magical-animistic mode of consciousness that animated and elevated the very language of the things that preoccupied him as he journeyed through his own development.
“Later you would find a holy joy in the legends of the saints, a blessed humility and a readiness to be all things, and you would recognize it because some small piece of wood had once taken on the same qualities for you. This small, forgotten object, which was willing to mean almost anything, made you familiar with thousands of things by playing thousands of roles; it was animal and tree, king and child, and when it receded, all these things were there. This something, worthless as it was, prepared the way for your first relationships with the world; it introduced you to life and to people. And what’s more: in its Being and its outward appearance, in its final destruction or its mysterious slipping away, you experienced everything human, deep into death itself.”
Rilke was so highly developed linguistically he gave life to every percept and image he touched. Like Rodin, he breathed life into even the most inanimate of objects expanding the full affective range of his experience; and through his, ours. He also indirectly confirmed the nature of language as a naming process that creates categories and manipulates these categories through the connecting of words; and that language plus the manipulation of categories is called thinking. But, what role did affect, or feelings play for Rilke?
Rilke’s unusual sensitivity to (and terror of) the environment surround heightened his need to use language in a way a child uses things: to create safety, gain a sense of agency, bind his anxiety, and stimulate an unfathomable desire to grow. Through words, each level of affective engagement was addressed: impulses, sensations, moods, core emotions, and complex emotions. And through the engagement of his feeling with things, a transformative awakening occurred, a deeper interior structure from which love and sorrow would emerge and re-emerge, again and again and again.
I could very much be describing your experience as well Noah: “In my body, it feels like a openness in the heart through which subtle and mysterious information enters. It is an exquisite sense of mutuality and awe, of stillness and receptivity. It is another way of speaking and listening, with the relatedness of language, but less abstracted and more direct, less comprehensible but more immediate.”
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Your thoughts and advise make sense and I shall give it a try. The light of understanding never came from forcing anything. I think I shall also pick up a copy of Wilber's book. Thanks for the reference.
It's also good to hear from you. I've missed your postings and have wondered how you and your beautiful son were doing.
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Thanks Bodhi and welcome to our blog. This picture was a happy accident I put him on the floor to help with jaundice and took a picture on my phone. I have spent a lot of time looking at it myself it feels so pure and reminds me to just come back to the light when it is so much harder to be present than I thought it would be with the compounding effects of lack of sleep. You bring up some very interesting points of discussion in your recent posts. Once I get enough sleep to think clearly again I'll jump back in. Until then I've been enjoying peaking in and watching the dialogue unfold. Take care. - Megan
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Megan, thanks for the welcome. I must admit most of the time I am in awe of the insights you all share with such ease. I shall look forward to your jumping back in and tossing around a few thoughts with you, however, I hate to dampen your hopes for more sleep, that day may be years away. It might be easier to simply get used to extended periods of sleep deprivation. For now take care and enjoy every moment you have with your precious son and remember when little ones nap that means Moms get to rest too. Hope to meet you on this path again soon. Bodhi
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Question to Om
Om, I heard you'll be running a workshop upstate on distinguishing between psychological and spiritual levels of awareness. In your description, you specifically spoke of the distinction between "magical thinking and more integrated levels of spiritual awareness."
There is clearly a difference, but I'm not sure I'm know exactly what it is. If we allow ourselves some space beyond the confines of western scientism, what exactly is "magic" anyway? Since existence is empty, can any occurrence really be impossible? I totally get the fallacy of "quick fix" thinking and steer well clear of that. But sometimes I encounter other ideas that I am extremely skeptical of. For example, recently I met a woman who said she felt that she could "vibrationally take" certain plants, like echinacea, because she had spent so much time relating to and meditating with these plants that she had come to understand their awareness, or vibration, and could manifest the change they created in her body without physically consuming anything. I don't mean psychoactives, but medicinal herbs. I found myself extremely skeptical, but as I've thought about it, I can't really justify my skepticism beyond my culturally inherited attachment to materialism. I don't need convincing that plants have awareness, in fact to me everything has awareness and sentience. But concerning the non-physical aspect, manifesting a specific bio-chemical reaction via focused meditation, I found myself much less sure. Is that magical thinking? If you could do that, why not just "vibrationally eat?" The basic claim seems to be that given certain levels of awareness and via persistent practice and study, we can learn to willfully bend the physical constrictions of embodiment. That sounds a lot like magic to me, but I then I have no good reason to reject the notion, except that it has not been part of my own experience.
So again, how do you make the distinction between integrated levels of spiritual awareness and magical thinking?
I NOAH MYSTICAL THINKING MAGICAL MAN: ON SPIRITUAL AWARENESS
Noah, as always, thank you for your penetrating and thoughtful questions. The first thing I consider critical in making this distinction is development. Evolution pervades all of consciousness and, I think it safe to say, the evolution of consciousness is recapitulated in human development. That is, following evolutionary science, a larger metaphysical vision comes to light in which the cosmological process of evolution is consistently revealed in stages evolving from inanimate matter (physiosphere) through life (biosphere) and mind (noosphere) to spirit. In the human being, we can find all these stages unfolding from atoms, molecules, cells, organs, language, and consciousness.
Similarly, in cognitive development, Ken Wilber argues the distinction between what he calls prerational (or prepersonal) states of awareness and transrational (or transpersonal) states in understanding the nature of higher (or deeper) spiritual states of consciousness or awareness. Were most people get confused is in the fact that both prerational states and transrational states seem identical, the outcome of which are two fallacies:
In the first, all higher, authentic transrational states are reduced to lower, prerational states. “Genuine mystical or contemplative experiences, for example, are seen as a regression or throwback to egocentric, infantile states.”
The second fallacy is “sympathetic with higher or mystical states, but one still confuses pre and trans, then one will elevate all prerational states to some sort of transrational glory (the infantile primary narcissism, for example, is seen as an unconscious slumbering in the mystico unio).” Both the first (reductionistic) and second (elevationist) fallacies lack any sort of integration, which is the keystone in grasping transrational states. New Ageism is represented by the second, elevationist perspective, which refutes anything rational. By the way, it’s usually in the elevationist perspective where we would witness magical thinking, the belief that one’s thoughts, words, or actions can exert more power or influence over events than one actually has. We say “magical” because it’s unique to early stages of cognitive development (in which I will soon describe) where a sense omnipotence reigns—“the world is an extension of the emotional [and perceptual] self.”) My particular interest in the Buddhist philosophy of Nagarjuna is that it is supremely rational! It is truly a phenomenology of very very deep logic in which the regressions, distortions, and delusions of mind are logically interrogated and confirmed by the direct experience of prolonged meditation (as opposed to an authoritarian edict).
Wilber’s very detailed psychological theory of life-span development incorporates higher, transpersonal structures mostly ignored in Western psychology.
Simply, Wilber sees development moving through 9 stages, which determine the predominant orientation of consciousness. Following a conventional scientific model, development proceeds as the individual differentiates a new stage from a previous one. Most important, stage development means transcend but include previous stages. For example, though my relational orientation is primarily linguistic, I am embodied and thus still relate on a physical level, as well. In fact, from a nondual perspective, body and mind are merely two aspects (perspectives) of consciousness.
Okay, so here are Wilber’s stages. I’ll quote it at length because it’s an excellent description, which I think will adequately address your question:
“The first level is the prepersonal. In the prepersonal level the child develops the first rudimentary ego or mind. At (1), the Sensoriphysical Stage, the child is not differentiated from the physical world; the child is the sensorium of experience and their purely material interactions with it. As the child differentiates the physical body from the materiality of the world and of its mother, he or she develops an internal world of desires, wishes and images that are often not differentiated from the objects of those same images. This is (2), the Phantasmal-Emotional Stage. It is narcissistic: the world is an extension of the emotional self.
With development into the personal levels the child can be said to have a mind. I think that what Wilber means by "personal" can be equated with what I am calling "ego." From images, the child develops to the capacity to have symbols. With symbols, the child can construct concepts. With the birth of the mental at (3), the Representational Mind Stage, the child can separate the mental from the bodily, and therefore can control it (and repress it).
The next of the personal levels is what Wilber calls (4), the Role/Rule Stage. The child can combine and coordinate concepts into rules that govern behaviour. The child is able to internalize these rules of behaviour by identifying with them. These rules and norms can become scripts by which the child guides his or her behaviour. Conventional moral judgment and behaviour follow from this capacity. The child is also capable of assuming roles and seeing how their actions appear from the perspective of others.
Whereas at the Role/Rule Stage, the child is identified with the conventional norms of their social world, with development into (5), the Formal/Reflexive Stage, the child can see such conventional norms from the outside, as it were, taking a perspective on them, so that he or she can think about thinking. This is the distinguishing characteristic of the Formal/Reflexive Stage: thinking can take its own products as objects. With this capacity, the individual–probably now an adolescent–develops self-chosen ideals, morals, beliefs, and ideologies. The adolescent can reflect on, choose and change their identities, often adopting an attitude of critical distance from sanctioned role identities and rules that earlier had regulated behaviour.
The final stage of the personal is (6), the Vision-Logic Stage. Wilber often calls this stage centauric because it is based on an integration of mind and body not previously attained. Wilber holds that the reason mind and body are capable at this stage of being integrated is because consciousness is now no longer exclusively identified with mind as it had been in previous stages; it now has a perspective on both mind and body, and can integrate them in a higher level of consciousness.
While the centauric possesses well-being, greater authenticity, and is re-oriented in more organismic and existential ways, not all of the emotions and feelings that are available at this stage are positive or comforting. Many of the experiences at this stage are described in bleak and somber tones, because in many respects, this stage is the one most characterized as full of angst or dread.
I have made the focus of this presentation the Vision-Logic Stage. With development into the transpersonal stages, the individual transcends both ego and representational mind. They begin to step off the wheel of samsara. These stages are more or less unique to the East, at least not described in most Western psychologies. Wilber draws upon descriptions of advanced spiritual development found in Buddhist and Hindu Vedanta scriptures. The first transpersonal stage Wilber calls (7) the Psychic. It is characterized by nature mysticism; often called the Path of the Yogis. The second transpersonal stage is (8) the Subtle: it is characterized by deity mysticism and called the Path of the Saints. The third transpersonal stage is (9) the Causal: it is characterized by monistic mysticism and called the Path of the Sages. After this stage, the individual transcends all stages and attains non-dual mysticism, which absorbs all that had gone before. To the reader, these names may be nothing more than words without content: words pointing to a moon they have never seen in the daytime existence of their lives. Perhaps a metaphor might help.
From http://psyc.queensu.ca/~irwinr/psyc250/Wilber.htmof the ocean of existence.
MORE ON NOAH'S QUESTION
Noah, I realized that I didn’t address your specific example of the woman who “felt that she could “vibrationally take” certain plants…because she had spent so much time relating to and meditating with these plants that she had come to understand their awareness, or vibration, and could manifest the change they created in her body without physically consuming anything.”
What I immediately notice in this example is the language, more specifically, the shaping of language to 1) ascribe to certain phenomena (eg, plants) certain properties or characteristics (eg, “awareness”); and, 2) imply that certain phenomena (eg, vibration) have capacities (eg, physiological change) beyond their ontological level (eg, energetic). And so, before we can discuss whether magical thinking applies here, we have to first discern what we are attempting to describe and the propositions that either support or negate the descriptions. For example, I have a very interesting book called `Vibrational Medicine,’ by Richard Gerber, that says: “A system of medicine which denies or ignores its existence (spirit) will be incomplete because it leaves out the most fundamental quality of human existence, the spiritual dimension.” Further, he points out, that “the tissues which compose our physical form are fed not only by oxygen, glucose, and chemical nutrients, but also by higher vibrational energies which endow the physical form with properties of life and expression.” These are the subtle energies of certain plants, for example, that have healing properties.
Notice how I’m opening up and elaborating on the example you have provided and giving it a more relevant context from which to examine its meaning. When we talk about “vibration” within the context of subtle energy systems, for example, we then enter into another kind of epistemology or knowing, what Merleau-Ponty, for example, calls “knowledge by acquaintance,” that is, a knowledge through direct experience replicated by a number of practitioners accompanied by a “knowledge of description,” which is propositional knowledge (eg, that the energic properties of certain plants can create specific changes in the body).
From the context of energy systems, a number of older science-based medical fields can be invoked, for example, Chinese Medicine and Ayurvedic Medicine, both of which have thousands of years behind their research. And so, to “vibrationally take” certain plants for medicinal purposes, though still implausible, gives us the opportunity to better explore and test the merits of such claims because we aren’t clear by our language exactly what that means. Can energy create physiological change within the time period required for physiological sustenance or healing? I have never heard of evidence that would suggest this. Whether this woman is thinking “magically” is likely, though hard to discern given the little information we have. My point is that magical thinking is not determined by conventional constructions of reality alone, the scientific method being included. It is based on erroneous beliefs in one’s perceptual and conceptual capacities without sufficient contrary evidence. It is also based on erroneous reasoning, using language in ways that distort one’s understanding of phenomena.
When you say, “plants have awareness” or “sentience,” I’m not sure what that means. I would agree that plants have prehensive qualities, but I wouldn’t say they have awareness in the way higher animals have awareness. Using language in this way potentially leads to magical thinking, in that it loses a certain precision required to accurately match an intersubjective reasoning, reasoning that takes shape in the actual world of experience with and toward others.
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Thanks for your response to my question. I understand the distinction you are making, and I think we're on the same page.
I also appreciate you pointing out the imprecision in saying something like "plants have awareness," and I don't mean to suggest an awareness like that of animals of persons. Though I would think that prehension, or prehensive qualities reflect a definite level of consciousness. It may be more appropriate to say that I feel any landscape has, via the intangible relating of its innumerable prehensive aspects, physically and energetically, a responsive form of consciousness, which we are able to recognize instinctually on a visceral level , rationally on an aesthetic and mechanical level, and 'transrationally' when these understandings are integrated with a deep body-mind awareness. Here we feel the most potent sense of connection and integration with the surrounding space, emotionally and spiritually, so that we see our self as both part of the larger environment and profoundly related with it.
In this state of awareness, I find myself attuned to the mutuality of touch. I feel that as I touch a tree or a rock, or any feature of my surroundings, I am also being touched. That my “feeling” of these Others is equally their feeling of me, not as separate subjects—I don’t see a plant as having interiority per se, or mental function—but more in the sense that there is awareness forming between us; and that awareness always takes on a particular character or mood, a particular way of knowing, which is informed by the Other that is co-creating the feeling between us.
Further, I have noticed that my own internal state undergoes subtle changes as I relate to different Others. Much like the way we shift as we relate to other people, the way their personalities evoke different responses, so too do I feel this way about the non-human world. You might call this a type of animism, an inspiriting of non-thinking objects. Think of it as listening to music. In the same way that hearing a piece of music might draw one into an different state of feeling, so it is with this animistic world of spirit. In my body, it feels like a openness in the heart through which subtle and mysterious information enters. It is an exquisite sense of mutuality and awe, of stillness and receptivity. It is another way of speaking and listening, with the relatedness of language, but less abstracted and more direct, less comprehensible but more immediate.
It is not something I understand well; there is both a primalcy to it, but equally an open and elevated sense of communion. Perhaps the former is a sort of pre-linguistic affectation, and the latter a post linguistic one. And so in this I can certainly see the potential to confuse pre-rational and trans-rational states of awareness.
After your explication, I still feel that my puzzlement over this person’s nonphysical consumption of plants is correct, and that it is probably a form of “magical thinking.” But for me, it is so because is perpetuates a sort of separateness between the energetic / spirited and physical levels of reality. I experience both, when I am of the right (silent) mind, together. Spirit, as I have seen, lives as flesh. I don’t understand why one would to try to pass over the physical, for the substantial seems to be the very property in which the insubstantial resides.
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You packed a lot in here and I would say I agree with, and even more, appreciate everything you say. This Whiteheadian notion of prehension is a most fascinating one in reconciling the body/mind division (dualism) in Western philosophy. You seem to situate yourself squarely in the center of Whiteheadian process philosophy and would indeed be considered a panpychist. For you, Noah (and I agree), relationships are primary and constituted in relationships; and that is true of individual human beings as well as any other phenomena. From this perspective, what we call causality is actually an intersubjective experience of shared meaning: “I feel that as I touch a tree or a rock, or any feature of my surroundings, I am also being touched. That my “feeling” of these Others is equally their feeling of me, not as separate subjects—I don’t see a plant as having interiority per se, or mental function—but more in the sense that there is awareness forming between us; and that awareness always takes on a particular character or mood, a particular way of knowing, which is informed by the Other that is co-creating the feeling between us.” That is radical!
Our discussion on whether plants have “awareness” or “feeling” recalls for me a prickly debate between Ken Wilber and Christian De Quincey. The debate had to do with the term “panpsychism,” which, according to De Quincey, is the view that “the fundamental units of reality are “moments of experience.” Every individual actuality [phenomenon] is experiential , possessing interiority or feeling. Mind or consciousness goes all the way down to quanta or quarks or whatever might lie beyond.” P. 301
Wilber’s argument is as follows:
“I accept the Whitehead/Griffin version of prehension (as far as it goes), but I state a personal preference: "I accept the notion of Whitehead (Hartshorne, Griffin) that we can picture 'prehension' as perhaps the earliest form of interiors (every interior touches--prehends--an exterior at some point, since interior and exterior mutually arise), but when that prehension is explained in terms such as feeling or emotion, I believe that is overdoing it."
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There are two reasons that I accept "prehension" but not "feelings" as a name for the interiors that go all the way down. De Quincey's authoritative assertion is that I reject the word "feelings" because I am out of touch with mine, and therefore I cannot see the truth of his position. But I maintain that I don't use the term "feeling" because: … [the reason] I try not to characterize or qualify the nature of interiors is that ultimately (and here I am switching from a relative to an absolute form of argument a la Madhymaka), the interiors of each holon open directly onto radical, absolute, unqualifiable Spirit or pure Emptiness, so that the interior of each holon acts as an opening or clearing in which other holons can emerge, so that all holons are mutually arising in the clearing that they mutually supply for each other.” (This is also the ground meaning or ultimate meaning of intersubjectivity, which exists alongside the four or five others.)”
A very difficult way of saying that, if we claim all phenomena have feelings, we potentially fall into a propositional(and thus, perceived) trap of a type of idealism that fails to recognize the ultimate interreleatedness of ALL phenomena, which we call emptiness. And so, if we can’t speak of real existence, we cannot speak of non-existence either. Wilber seems to be saying that De Quincey’s position somehow undermines the nonduality of emptiness though, I must be honest, I am inferring far more than I should here given Wilber’s abstruseness.
My concern about conflating different categories or ontologies is psychological, that is, it potentially undermines the development of self-awareness, and so, ultimately, spiritual awareness. But you beautifully (and poetically, of course) address this concern:
“Though I would think that prehension, or prehensive qualities reflect a definite level of consciousness. It may be more appropriate to say that I feel any landscape has, via the intangible relating of its innumerable prehensive aspects, physically and energetically, a responsive form of consciousness, which we are able to recognize instinctually on a visceral level , rationally on an aesthetic and mechanical level, and 'transrationally' when these understandings are integrated with a deep body-mind awareness. Here we feel the most potent sense of connection and integration with the surrounding space, emotionally and spiritually, so that we see our self as both part of the larger environment and profoundly related with it.”
Noah, this is one of best definitions of spirituality I have seen and I’m going to use it in my workshop!
Your mention of animism recalls for me Rilke, whose mystical presence in the word is completely infused with animism. I wrote a couple of essays on Rilke’s animism, in which I describe Rilke’s spirituality as emphasizing “the creative imagination as that position from which God can be realized. The artist for Rilke makes things and so reminds us of God’s creative beauty. Beauty for Rilke is an aesthetization of spiritual awakening and can be witnessed in all of life. He says, “there is much beauty here, because everywhere there is much beauty.” But, he also tells us we must begin within:
`You are looking outside, and that is what you should most avoid right now. No one can advise or help you - no one. There is only one thing you should do. Go into yourself. Find out the reason that commands you to write; see whether it has spread its roots into the very depths of your heart; confess to yourself whether you would have to die if you were forbidden to write. This most of all: ask yourself in the most silent hour of your night: must I write? Dig into yourself for a deep answer. And if this answer rings out in assent, if you meet this solemn question with a strong, simple "I must," then build your life in accordance with this necessity; your while life, even into its humblest and most indifferent hour, must become a sign and witness to this impulse.’
Letters To A Young Poet-Rilke
Rilke, as a young man, was the great sculptor, Auguste Rodin's secretary and went on tour, so to speak, to promote Rodin's work. Rilke's brilliance and the mysticism that evolved through his animistic religiosity already began to take form in an essay he wrote on Rodin.
“Reflecting on my task, however, it has become clear to me that I have not come before you to speak of people, but rather of things.
Things. When I say the word (are you listening?), it grows silent; the silence that
surrounds things. All motion subsides and becomes contour, and something
permanent is formed from the past and the future: space, the great calm of things, liberated from desire."
`Auguste Rodin' by Ranier Maria Rilke (p.68)
We begin with a metaphysics on space and time. “The silence that surrounds things. All motion subsides and becomes contour [surface].” The silence that surrounds things is consciousness, spirit wrapping its arms around things found and things made, like a mother nourishing its essence and so giving it form. And it is the silence that brings us closer to the essence, for silence is the dimension of spirit. Silence is God’s first language. But, it is a specific type of silence, a silence nestled in a stillness that unlayers the motion of time. Time ceases in the stillness and is thus relegated to the surface of things. When time is unraveled from the surface of space, space, in all its unadornment, is “liberated from desire.” In the silent stillness, desire meets Awareness and dissolves, along with even space, into its ineffable, uncreated, infinite eternality. It is that moment of union, when space touches silence in “the great calm of things,” that realization occurs. Rilke’s mysticism senses the connection between time and eternity, space and infinity: “something permanent is formed from the past and future.” His is an inverted sense of what we now know as things (phenomena) being formed in the dimension of space/time. Rilke’s linguistic conflation belies the intuition revealed within his words: that space is not space itself; it is the spacelessness of Being (liberated from desire) from which all things arise, including space (the great calm of things) and time (past and future) and matter (things). In this context, “something permanent” refers to form and the beauty (essence) emanating through its surface in either image or word.”
No, you do not feel it growing silent. The word “things” means nothing to you—too much and thus too ordinary—and passes right by. And in this sense it is good that I have evoked childhood; perhaps this sense of something precious, something associated with many memories, can help me bring this word home to you. -- Rilke
Rilke’s touch is deeply therapeutic and guiding, like a light coming out of dark space from which your curiosity of its mystery impels you to follow. Rilke is a poet of mystery and so is a mystical presence. He
elevates the ordinary through the senses and textually places “Things” atop his essay so as to illustrate his spiritual notion of space, or through linguistic productions. This is the utterance of something beyond that which is being stated, what the philosopher of hermeneutics, Gadamer, calls Ereignis, an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were.” Works of Art “stand in themselves’ and “are only truly there in our coming back to them.”
One does not possess the meaning of a work of art in a kind of way that would allow one to speak of a transfer of meaning (referring to Heidegger’s definition of the beautiful as “the sensuous appearing of the idea”). The meaning of a work of art can never be simply transferred. A work of art must itself be there…. You cannot substitute something else for it…. When a work of art truly takes hold of us, it is not an object that stands opposite us which we look at in hope of seeing through it to an intended conceptual meaning. Just the reverse. The work is an Ereignis—an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, it knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were. Works of Art “stand in themselves” and “are only truly there in their coming back to them.”
One does not possess the meaning of a work of art in a kind of way that would allow one to speak of a transfer of meaning (referring to Heidegger’s definition of the beautiful as “the sensuous appearing of the idea”). The meaning of a work of art can never be simply transferred. A work of art must itself be there…. You cannot substitute something else for it…. When a work of art truly takes hold of us, it is not an object that stands opposite us which we look at in hope of seeing through it to an intended conceptual meaning. Just the reverse. The work is an Ereignis—an event that “appropriates us” into itself. It jolts us, it knocks us over, and sets up a world of its own, into which we are drawn, as it were.
--Gadamer p. 71
Like Rilke, Gadamer emphasizes the intersubjective (relational) space from where the counterplay between intended meaning and self-expression converge in relationship. But, there is at the same time the resistance of the aesthetic object, necessarily because it is an experience of meaning, a meaning which can only be brought out by understanding. And, according to Rilke, this experience is spawned in childhood. The “something precious” that is beheld directly affects the child by what it says; through the encounter the child is forced to think again and again what is being said.
“No, you do not feel it growing silent. The word “things” means nothing to you—too much and thus too ordinary—and passes right by. And in this sense it is good that I have evoked childhood; perhaps this sense of something precious, something associated with many memories, can help me bring this word home to you.”
It is the play of creative imagination that grows in the silence, that sees the extraordinary in the “too ordinary” thing. Rilke intuitively understands the power of memory and how things evoked are truly there in our coming back to them. It is as if we had left them in the shadows of our youth and, like a loyal companion, they were awaiting us.
“If possible, I ask you to return with your mature, refined sensibility to one of the things that was most familiar to you as a child. Try to remember if there was anything in the world that was closer, more familiar, and more necessary than this thing. Was it not the case that everything else in the world could cause you pain or treat you badly, frightening you with pain and confusing you with uncertainty? If kindness, trust, and the sense of not being alone could be counted among your earliest experiences, do you not owe it to that thing? Was it not with a thing the first time you shared your little heart like a piece of bread that would have to suffice for two?”
This is a truly remarkable statement for the young Rilke, for almost half a century later the psychoanalyst D.W. Winnicott, in perhaps his most famous concept, stated what Rilke had already conceived:
“According to Winnicott, the child initially makes no distinction between inner desires and outer reality, experiencing the mother's breast (or the bottle) as part of its inner reality that magically appears when needed. In Winnicott's account, as the mother becomes less adapted to the infant's needs, the child begins to experience the frustration of failure and the beginnings of a transition to the recognition of the autonomy of outer objects. This is assisted by a transitional object, a bit of blanket, toy, or cloth that is under the infant's control and is reliably present when needed. The transitional object opens the realm of play, where real objects are incorporated into the world of make-believe over which the child has some control, a realm which is not challenged by the question: "Did you conceive of this, or was it presented to you from without?" (Winnicott, p. 12) The realm of play is immensely exciting because it is precarious, an interplay of personal psychic reality and the experience of control of actual objects. It is "an intermediate area of experiencing , to which inner reality and external life both contribute." (Winnicott. p.2) .."a resting place for the individual engaged in the perpetual human task of keeping inner and outer reality separate yet interrelated." a shared illusory experience.”
How well Rilke understands the child and the child’s world of things, the “transitional objects” that reach up like flowers through mind’s desire and its need for both safety and stimulation. What Rilke had not fully known, however, was what also preserved the purity of his animistic vision: that it was language and not the thing “in its Being and its outward appearance” that “made you familiar with thousands of things by playing thousands of roles.” Rilke’s was a nature mysticism, an immersion within nature where a full sense of self has not yet been developed. Yet, it was this same magical-animistic mode of consciousness that animated and elevated the very language of the things that preoccupied him as he journeyed through his own development.
“Later you would find a holy joy in the legends of the saints, a blessed humility and a readiness to be all things, and you would recognize it because some small piece of wood had once taken on the same qualities for you. This small, forgotten object, which was willing to mean almost anything, made you familiar with thousands of things by playing thousands of roles; it was animal and tree, king and child, and when it receded, all these things were there. This something, worthless as it was, prepared the way for your first relationships with the world; it introduced you to life and to people. And what’s more: in its Being and its outward appearance, in its final destruction or its mysterious slipping away, you experienced everything human, deep into death itself.”
Rilke was so highly developed linguistically he gave life to every percept and image he touched. Like Rodin, he breathed life into even the most inanimate of objects expanding the full affective range of his experience; and through his, ours. He also indirectly confirmed the nature of language as a naming process that creates categories and manipulates these categories through the connecting of words; and that language plus the manipulation of categories is called thinking. But, what role did affect, or feelings play for Rilke?
Rilke’s unusual sensitivity to (and terror of) the environment surround heightened his need to use language in a way a child uses things: to create safety, gain a sense of agency, bind his anxiety, and stimulate an unfathomable desire to grow. Through words, each level of affective engagement was addressed: impulses, sensations, moods, core emotions, and complex emotions. And through the engagement of his feeling with things, a transformative awakening occurred, a deeper interior structure from which love and sorrow would emerge and re-emerge, again and again and again.
I could very much be describing your experience as well Noah: “In my body, it feels like a openness in the heart through which subtle and mysterious information enters. It is an exquisite sense of mutuality and awe, of stillness and receptivity. It is another way of speaking and listening, with the relatedness of language, but less abstracted and more direct, less comprehensible but more immediate.”
And the difference in the experiencing, in the awareness of what this experience is, as you appropriately articulate, is a developmental one. And the bridge, of course, is language and the capacity to increase perspective. Perspective means depth. In “magical thinking,” there remains, not a separateness “between the energetic / spirited and physical levels of reality,” but rather an undifferentiated space between the symbol and the symbolized. This is called egocentricity, the inability to separate oneself from the world. Following this developmental stage, there is that separation you speak of; but, it does not reach a higher level of integration for most people; it remains dual, separate. It is only in that transpersonal stage of awareness that the “substantial” of embodiment is recognized as another aspect of consciousness. The existence of mind would be impossible without it.
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For one less versed in the subject of mystical language, I'm lost in your words, and find myself looking for the 101 prerequisite course before I try to digest the graduate level essay.
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Hi Bodhi, I've felt lost through many of blog conversations and just wanted to let you know you are not alone and don't get discouraged. In some ways, you are right, it is a masters level conversation because Om and Noah relate so well together. One day Om said to me off the blog, "You don't have to understand the mechanics of the sun to enjoy its warmth" and I took this to heart. What works for me and might help you is to just read it through once or twice and just sit with it. You will be taking a walk or having a quiet moment in the shower and small pieces of the concepts will begin to make sense and connect for you. It's like you have to let go of the need to understand and the understanding will show itself to you. It is/was there all the time. You can also find a sentence or concept within these posts and ask a specific question you'll be amazed how quickly you understand and where one question or thought will lead the conversation next. It's all play. Lastly if you want to explore and see where some of this is coming from pick up Ken Wilber's book, A Brief History of Everything. Hope this helps.
Megan, thanks for the advise
Your thoughts and advise make sense and I shall give it a try. The light of understanding never came from forcing anything. I think I shall also pick up a copy of Wilber's book. Thanks for the reference.
It's also good to hear from you. I've missed your postings and have wondered how you and your beautiful son were doing.
Looking forward to chatting again.
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Our discussion on whether plants have “awareness” or “feeling” recalls for me a prickly debate between Ken Wilber and Christian De Quincey. The debate had to do with the term “panpsychism,” which, according to De Quincey, is the view that “the fundamental units of reality are “moments of experience.” Every individual actuality [phenomenon] is experiential , possessing interiority or feeling. Mind or consciousness goes all the way down to quanta or quarks or whatever might lie beyond.” P. 301..........
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